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Quote:Hart and other Jewish academic racists left American Renaissance shortly thereafter, when Taylor declined to explicitly ban anti-Semites. But Hart was apparently not ready to give up public discussion of the superiority of the white race. Hence, "Preserving Western Civilization," Hart's Jewish-friendly replacement for the American Renaissance conference. [url="http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=912"]link[/url]
It looks like this guy broke with American Renaissance over antisemitism. He then started to promote 'Western civilization' as a 'secular' version of christendom (antisemitic), which includes the Jewish people.
But the ones who have been excluded:
Quote:It wasn't just minorities who were slammed at Hart's conference. Muslims came in for some serious drubbing, too.
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Reason why I alerted dhu was that there are attempts to come up with a new theory which maintains the Western dominance. They wont give up AIT till they have something better, for, if they give it up they have to go back to the bible's prescription. And ths regress and not progress. So expect more such works.
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http://www.dnaindia.com%2Fscitech%2Freport_the-chinese-evolved-from-indians-study_1322647
http://www.expressindia.com%2Flatest-news%2FIndia-is-the-source-of-genetic-diversity---Study%2F553371%2F
http://www.hindustantimes.com%2FNews-Fee...85546.aspx
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[quote name='dhu' date='13 December 2009 - 05:43 AM' timestamp='1260662712' post='102928']
Bhandaar phoota.
http://in.news.yahoo.com/139/20091211/80...-orie.html
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It cant be.
Mongol race have clear adaptation to the coldness so must evolved in in cold enviroment like Siberia and Mongolia.
South east asia was never cold and even China wasnt cold enough during that time.
So mongol race must migrate from the north to the south .
So the north must have more genetic diversity then the south.
Yet genetic studies show that he south have more diversity then the north and almost all haplotypes have origin in the south.
This puzzle we must solve.
Classical theory show that mongols go from Africa to Central asia ,from there to Mongolia (were they developed adaptation to coldness)and then migrate to south east Asia.
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Death to traitors.
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12-13-2009, 01:43 AM
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Sorry, doubleposted again. Apparently I can't edit.
Again: where's the delete button?
Death to traitors.
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12-13-2009, 03:14 AM
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Husky, that was exactly what I was wondering... Thanks
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[quote name='HareKrishna' date='13 December 2009 - 07:13 AM' timestamp='1260668114' post='102930']
Yet genetic studies show that he south have more diversity then the north and almost all haplotypes have origin in the south.
This puzzle we must solve.
Classical theory show that mongols go from Africa to Central asia ,from there to Mongolia (were they developed adaptation to coldness)and then migrate to south east Asia.
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It was probably at headwaters of Brahmaputra. Lhasa-Guwahati stretch.
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replacing Siberian theory whit a Himalayan one?that is similar whit Oppenheimer theory
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Quote:Scientists Find A DNA Change That Accounts For White Skin
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...01728.html
By Rick Weiss
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, December 16, 2005
Scientists said yesterday that they have discovered a tiny genetic mutation that largely explains the first appearance of white skin in humans tens of thousands of years ago, a finding that helps solve one of biology's most enduring mysteries and illuminates one of humanity's greatest sources of strife.
The work suggests that the skin-whitening mutation occurred by chance in a single individual after the first human exodus from Africa, when all people were brown-skinned. That person's offspring apparently thrived as humans moved northward into what is now Europe, helping to give rise to the lightest of the world's races.
Leaders of the study, at Penn State University, warned against interpreting the finding as a discovery of "the race gene." Race is a vaguely defined biological, social and political concept, they noted, and skin color is only part of what race is -- and is not.
In fact, several scientists said, the new work shows just how small a biological difference is reflected by skin color. The newly found mutation involves a change of just one letter of DNA code out of the 3.1 billion letters in the human genome -- the complete instructions for making a human being.
A few genes have previously been associated with human pigment disorders -- most notably those that, when mutated, lead to albinism, an extreme form of pigment loss. But the newly found glitch is the first found to play a role in the formation of "normal" white skin. The Penn State team calculates that the gene, known as slc24a5, is responsible for about one-third of the pigment loss that made black skin white. A few other as-yet-unidentified mutated genes apparently account for the rest.
Although precise dating is impossible, several scientists speculated on the basis of its spread and variation that the mutation arose between 20,000 and 50,000 years ago. That would be consistent with research showing that a wave of ancestral humans migrated northward and eastward out of Africa about 50,000 years ago.
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[quote name='HareKrishna' date='14 December 2009 - 12:09 PM' timestamp='1260772275' post='102954']
replacing Siberian theory whit a Himalayan one?that is similar whit Oppenheimer theory
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That is what I was thinking also, but Oppenheimer does not indicate this in his book (from what I could gather). Interestingly, it was an earlier version of his wikipedia page which proposed E himalayan for Mongoloid and W Himalayan for Indic.
MNOPS has SEA center of gravity. P would have to be Bengal. R pan-Indian. Q Central/S Asian with rapid dispersal into Siberia. R disperses into Russia. MNOPS really shut the door on Northern Eurasian dispersal either in East or in West. These studies only confirm... It's good they stayed away form ANI ASI Type gimmicks...
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I had another encounter with Nichols' 'Linguistic Diversity'. The author was able to deduce a 100K migration into ~Tropical Asia. 50K-30K secondary migration into ~Oceania, Europe and Inner Asia. And a post glacial migration. It is in the last phase that IE, Iranian, Turkic, and Mongolian all expand out from the East, with Uralic as an everpresent witness.
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[url="http://www.india-forum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/1410-unmasking-ait/page__view__findpost__p__103273"]Re: post1[/url] [url="http://www.india-forum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/1410-unmasking-ait/page__view__findpost__p__103264"]Post 2[/url]
These Spencerwalas always manage to implicate diversity as a sign of exclusivity...
The article is discussing the origins of C which is a minor clade in India and a brother of the pan-eurasian F. If C originates in India, then this strengthens the origin of F in India as well. Along with the facts that:
Europe was a Neantherthal lebensraum,
proven differential settlement of Europe versus Northern India and Tropical Asia,
the exclusive presence of minor F clades in India,
MNOPS' Eastern center of gravity,
an Indian counterpart L to transcontinental T
an Indian counterpart H to Iranian/ME G
exclusive presence of minor K clades in India ....
.. The single southern coastal migration is a given at this stage.
An important quote from the herrenvolk forum (in case it disappears):
Quote:I presume that your "K", is what was recently described as MNOPS macro-haplogroup and that this is the same as previously detected as NOP. So basically it's K(xL,T), right?
Hence there is authoctonous IJK and K (your "KT") in India: it's called L and K1. It is not totally impossible that some of the ignored F-number lineages, that are mostly South Asian, also belong to IJK.
Whatever the case at the state of the art of Y-DNA knowledge F looks a lot like South Asian in origin, with 4/7 described subhaplogroups exclussive of the subcontinent. What IJK and K did after is more complicated to explain admittedly but, considering that IJ is West Eurasian and MNOPS looks as having a SE Asian homeland, I would not hurry in discarding a central role for South Asia in this secondary process anyhow. Y-DNA lineages obviously can either roll over or vanish too easily and the possible minor haplogroups in all these new matriushka subsets of F are still totally unresearched. Remember that before the "F*" diversity was somehow understood almost nobody thought this lineage had a South Asian origin, but a Western one. The same is surely the case with all these new sublineages: we only see the big stuff and we must be missing crucial details in the "asterisk" zone.
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R1b, west european Y haplogroup has been dated to 10k years ago and originated in Iran / Turkey border
R1A entered Europe 10k years ago along north shore of caspian sea, following retreating glaciers
whereas R1B followed the south shore of caspian sea
A Predominantly Neolithic Origin for European Paternal Lineages:
The relative contributions to modern European populations of Paleolithic hunter-gatherers and Neolithic farmers from the Near East have been intensely debated. Haplogroup R1b1b2 (R-M269) is the commonest European Y-chromosomal lineage, increasing in frequency from east to west, and carried by 110 million European men. Previous studies suggested a Paleolithic origin, but here we show that the geographical distribution of its microsatellite diversity is best explained by spread from a single source in the Near East via Anatolia during the Neolithic. Taken with evidence on the origins of other haplogroups, this indicates that most European Y chromosomes originate in the Neolithic expansion.
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It is possible that R1b started in C Asia, went o'er the 'ol Caspian, and then, blocked by the climactic ice, dipped back down into the caucasus and from there into asia minor and onwards to europe. Maybe a few trudged along hugging the northern coast of the Black Sea as well. Yeah I know about C Asia but I am talking realistically here (discounting all herrenvolk fantasies).
By the time that R1a expanded there was no ice block and it completely overwhelmed E Europe.
Later, the Hatti followed the transcaucasus route into Asia Minor, while the Mittani, Sindoi, Kassites, and the Greco-Persians took a more direct ME route, along with their greekoid slaves.
It is also possible that the inland seas do not present any effective challenges to migration.
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[quote name='dhu' date='20 January 2010 - 08:40 AM' timestamp='1263956534' post='103612']
It is possible that R1b started in C Asia, went o'er the 'ol Caspian, and then, blocked by the climactic ice, dipped back down into the caucasus and from there into asia minor and onwards to europe. Maybe a few trudged along hugging the northern coast of the Black Sea as well. Yeah I know about C Asia but I am talking realistically here (discounting all herrenvolk fantasies).
By the time that R1a expanded there was no ice block and it completely overwhelmed E Europe.
Later, the Hatti followed the transcaucasus route into Asia Minor, while the Mittani, Sindoi, Kassites, and the Greco-Persians took a more direct ME route, along with their greekoid slaves.
It is also possible that the inland seas do not present any effective challenges to migration.
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R1b must have originated a little earlier than R1a, and moving along Caspian Sea north and then west appears plausible, but equally likely is that R1b moved west before the last ice age, so did not really have to move north of Caspian sea, just migrated west and populated wester and northen Europe, but later they were pushed back to ice age refuges in Iberia and Balkans.
And then populating entire Northen and Western Europe and part of Central Europe as well, which was very thinly populated at that time.
R1a probably closely behind R1b, ( and assuming it originated in south central asia ) diffused/radiated across , towards central India, north towards caspian sea, and west towards Iran ( only eastern part of Iran ) and perhaps east towards east central asia. Again all this just prior to the last ice age ( approximately 18k to 20 K years ). Once ice age started and peaked, again R1a was pushed to pockets/refuges around Caspian Sea, and of course parts of Iran and India.
Once Ice age retreated, the R1a near Caspian sea/ Iran area expanded to Eastern Europe, Large parts of Central Asia and perhaps a little bit to Northern India, ( though i am not fully convinced of large scale migration to India ). Post glacial, R1a expansion to Eastern Europe was easy, because again it was not populated much.
One difference between population of R1b across western Europe and R1a across Easter Europe was the former was mostly hunter gatherers and neolithic farmers, whereas the latter was a pastoral/nomadic steppe group with horses and with bronze tools. This probably allowed R1a in Eastern Europe to easily and entirely change the language of Entire Europe into IE language, but not large scale genetic replacement( from the original r1b language, perhaps Basque like language ) as we see large percentages of R1b in Spain, Portugal and France and even Ireland i think. Once sees a gradual reduction in the percentage of R1a as we across west from easter Europe to the shores of France.
And it was also possible, that R1a once existed across vast expanses of Central Asia all the way reaching upto Western China, especially right after the last ice age ended ( Anyone familiar with the caucasian Mummies found in western China? ). But i guess, the later westward expansion of Altaic speaking Turkic/Mongol tribes ( no doubt aided by their new found tools and horses, and harsh climatic conditions ) wiped out all this r1a in that region. ( this may explain the shape of R1a distritbution in the map, there are two areas of high concentrations one in N India and another in Eastern Europe, the in between region is filled with Turkic groups.
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Though I do think, the horse was native to the steppe region and perhaps was domesticated there by R1a groups, the acquisition of bronze tools, and invention of wheel, and perhaps even basics of agriculture must have probably originated much south and travelled north from the North India/Afghanistan ( around Mehergarh ) region to the steppe R1a groups through cultural diffustion and perhaps trade, or even two way travel.
The Mehergarh settlements originated agriculture, perhaps even invented bronze, and dependancy on milk diet. And the later day Indus valley civilisation, which was even more advanced, with wheeled carts driven by Ox probably transmitted some of their technological advancements to the Steppe groups to their north. ( i refuse to believe that they ( indus valley ) suddenly collapsed due to invading 'groups' ) ( I do know that existing literature says first wheel appeared in Poland around 3500 BC, but i am a little skeptical about this )
Post glacial R1a populations across the steppes around Caspian Sea, probably were very primitive, and entirely depended on hunted animal meat and caves for survival. And all their Chariots, bronze technology/weapons, and a few other aspects like change to a milk based diet, all most likely came to them from the groups south , that is in the Iran/Afghanistan/North Indian regions, who were also predominantly R1a I think ( atleast at that time period )
And these advances, definitely, gave them an edge, when they went west, and conquered western europe, ( atleast culturally ). And i am sure many of the steppe groups also spread south later, and invaded/diffused , due to their war like culture, but i doubt, it was anything like the colonization of superior groups with weapons over the primitive natives ( as described by the so called AIT )
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