Historicity of Jesus - 2

[acharya]

I do not think she needs to read anything. Question that "the experts" need to

figure out is, a point which Angela tries alluding to albeit not strongly

enough, accent in European languages would never have been understood and made

into a law by Verner without taking help from Sanskrit. Every time Verner got

stuck in trying to figure out where to put stress he had to seek help from

sanskrit.



What this means is that the fundamental issues related to the structure of

european languages would never have been understood if it was not for sanskrit.

[size="6"]It is bizzare that "learned people" do not understand this and this is the same

group which is hanging on to Aryan invasion theory for dear life.[/size]



I will try and give an analogy. Suppose an arab/european comes and tells a Hindu

"you know what arabs taught you the numerals and even the zero!". Hindu would

laugh at him and shake his head and walk away. Now the arab/european is pissed

and says alright it is ok if you don't believe us but we are certain that "we

all" learned numerals from common "proto numeral knowers who even knew the proto

zero!"





-Shivraj

This is really the main plan for erasing history and creating a new history. They are able to fool an entire nation of 1B just by taking care of an entire educated elite.



They will create a history where entire language, history and civilization came from the so called "greek" civilization and "western" civilization.

[acharya]

[quote name='dhu' date='20 August 2010 - 06:14 AM' timestamp='1282264596' post='107972']

By contrast, in monotheism, the phantasm and shadow race (the israeilite, the aryan) is used as a mask for imperial subjugation. But, in reality (i.e., at a deeper level), the construct is one of defeat and admission, as the above shows..



[size="5"]What is surprising is how the construct can reproduce itself while being plainly ironic, satiric, and self-flagellating at the most obvious level..[/size] for example, mohammad bargains down the number of prayers and abraham had done the same when he dissuaded the lord god from smiting some waywards. Either, the progenitor of Islam (i.e, the RCC) was aware of the ironic instance in which their Deity is shown as a powerless, fake, and a sham and they do not take their construct as seriously as presumed; or the construct can reproduce itself at the level of discourse.. Thus, Liguistics and statistics, the two authentically normative disciplines, are the refuges of these shams...

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Dhu, have you read a book on Intellectual revolution of the western civilization. They talk about this only starting from 1600-1700



Everything is about negating from other civilization and adding shadow construct which show defeat

[HareKrishna]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0o6eH3YE...re=related





The nazis were christians

[ramana]

dhu will mail the source:

We come back to that curious assertion of Rashi’s that the Genesis narrative was

written to justify genocide. If we put that together with Umberto Eco’s implication

in his book, The Search for The Perfect Language, that validation of the Hebrew

Bible was supported by early Christian scholars primarily to validate Judaism,

which was necessary in order to then “validate” Christianity as the “one true relig-

ion”, we begin to get the uneasy feeling that we have been “had.” What this

amounts to is that we are all “Christian” so that the “rights” of the Jews, the unap-

pealable decrees of Jehovah/Yahweh, could be “inherited” by the Christian Church

as instituted for political reasons by Constantine! Nevertheless, by the very act of

validating Judaism, and “creating” Christianity in the form of the Egyptian relig-

ion, the Western world, in its greed for power, may very well have taken a tiger by

the tail.

and..

Donald Wagner, professor of religion and Middle Eastern studies at North Park

University in Chicago and executive director of the Center for Middle Eastern

Studies, wrote this commentary, the second in a series of five on Christian Zion-

ism, for the Lebanese newspaper The Daily Star:

The British have had a long-term fascination with the idea of Israel and its central role

in biblical prophecy that dates back to their earliest recorded literature. The Epistle of

Gildas (circa. 6th century AD) and the Venerable Bede’s Ecclesiastical History (735

AD) both saw the British as “the new Israel,” God’s chosen people, who were des-

tined to play a strategic role despite repeated invasions by their Nordic neighbors. In

the British perception of being an elect, these battles were understood in the context

of Israel’s battles against the Philistines, Babylonians and others.

[ramana]

A couple of links



Quest for Historical Jesus by Albert Schweitzer.



and website on Historical Jesus Theories

[acharya]

Jesus the Myth: Heavenly Christ



Jesus the Myth: Man of the Indefinite Past





Jesus the Hellenistic Hero



Jesus the Revolutionary



Jesus the Wisdom Sage



Jesus the Man of the Spirit



Jesus the Prophet of Social Change



Jesus the Apocalyptic Prophet



Jesus the Savior







As the human needs and requirements changed with times they have tried to blend and morph the myth to that era and that people.





The latest trend is to put the Jesus Myth as a green movement to penetrate Indian villages. They have tried almost all sorts of things

[acharya]

The Jesus of Nazareth who came forward publicly as the Messiah, who preached the ethic of the Kingdom of God, who founded the Kingdom of Heaven upon earth, and died to give His work its final consecration, [size="6"]never had any existence[/size]. He is a figure designed by rationalism, endowed with life by liberalism, and clothed by modern theology in an historical garb.



This image has not been destroyed from without, [size="6"]it has fallen to pieces, cleft and disintegrated by the concrete historical problems which came to the surface one after another[/size], and in spite of all the artifice, art, artificiality, and violence which was applied to them, refused to be planed down to fit the design on which the Jesus of the theology of the last hundred and thirty years had been constructed, and were no sooner covered over than they appeared again in a new form. The thoroughgoing sceptical and the thoroughgoing eschatological school have only completed the work of destruction by linking the problems into a system and so making an end of the Divide et impera of modern theology, which undertook to solve each of them separately, that is, in a less difficult form.

[acharya]

http://ifile.it/78cwlu3



Cloak of Illuminati.pdf 7.024 MB



Read this - Understand the global plan



http://ifile.it/78cwlu3/Cloak%20of%20Illuminati.pdf

[ramana]

How is it that Christians have Jesus with Prophet status and all others as Saints?



The Jews have many Prophets but the latter derivative sects:have only one each. the Pirs in Islam are similar to saints?

[dhu]

It is because the prophets of the Judaist timeline are derived from revisionist history while the (last) prophet of the revealed religions are masks for the colonizer's design.

[ramana]

A footnote in a book titled "why"

George Ostrogorsky, History of the Byzantine State (New Jersey: Rutgers University Press, 1969), p. 53; J.M. Roberts, The Triumph of the West (London: British Broadcasting Company, 1985), p. 67. A potentially powerful Egypt can only have been a serious threat to Rome. The knowledge of the world was in the Library of Alexandria and knowledge is power. The alliance of Christianity and Rome, the destruction of every pagan temple, the burning of every library in the Roman empire, including the Library of Alexandria and execution of every educated Egyptian, pulling Western society into the dark ages, needs to be looked at closely. It parallels closely later alliances, and today’s alliances, of church and state to destroy other cultures.

[ramana]

The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology's New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its Sacred Texts



Free Press (May 28, 2002) | ISBN: 0684869136 | 400 pages |

The Bible Unearthed is a balanced, thoughtful, bold reconsideration of the historical period that produced the Hebrew Bible. The headline news in this book is easy to pick out: there is no evidence for the existence of Abraham, or any of the Patriarchs; ditto for Moses and the Exodus; and the same goes for the whole period of Judges and the united monarchy of David and Solomon. In fact, the authors argue that it is impossible to say much of anything about ancient Israel until the seventh century B.C., around the time of the reign of King Josiah. In that period, "the narrative of the Bible was uniquely suited to further the religious reform and territorial ambitions of Judah." Yet the authors deny that their arguments should be construed as compromising the Bible's power. Only in the 18th century--"when the Hebrew Bible began to be dissected and studied in isolation from its powerful function in community life"--did readers begin to view the Bible as a source of empirically verifiable history. For most of its life, the Bible has been what Finkelstein and Silberman reveal it once more to be: an eloquent expression of "the deeply rooted sense of shared origins, experiences, and destiny that every human community needs in order to survive," written in such a way as to encompass "the men, women, and children, the rich, the poor, and the destitute of an entire community." --Michael Joseph Gross --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title.

[ramana]

Dhu!



Russell E. Gmirkin - Berossus And Genesis, Manetho And Exodus: Hellenistic Histories And the Date of the Pentateuch

Publisher: T. & T. Clark Publishers | 2006-07-30 | ISBN: 0567025926 | 332 pages |

Berossus and Genesis, Manetho and Exodus proposes a provocative new theory regarding the date and circumstances of the composition of the Pentateuch. Gmirkin argues that the Hebrew Pentateuch was composed in its entirety about 273-272 BCE by Jewish scholars at Alexandria that later traditions credited with the Septuagint translation of the Pentateuch into Greek. The primary evidence is literary dependence of Gen. 1-11 on Berossus' Babyloniaca (278 BCE) and of the Exodus story on Manetho's Aegyptiaca (c. 285-280 BCE), and the geo-political data contained in the Table of Nations. A number of indications point to a provenance of Alexandria, Egypt for at least some portions of the Pentateuch. That the Pentateuch, drawing on literary sources found at the Great Library of Alexandria, was composed at almost the same date as the Septuagint translation, provides compelling evidence for some level of communication and collaboration between the authors of the Pentateuch and the Septuagint scholars at Alexandria's Museum. The late date of the Pentateuch, as demonstrated by literary dependence on Berossus and Manetho, has two important consequences: the definitive overthrow of the chronological framework of the Documentary Hypothesis, and a late, 3rd century BCE date for major portions of the Hebrew Bible which show literary dependence on the Pentateuch.

[HareKrishna]

[quote name='ramana' date='28 September 2010 - 06:46 AM' timestamp='1285636109' post='108506']

Dhu!



Russell E. Gmirkin - Berossus And Genesis, Manetho And Exodus: Hellenistic Histories And the Date of the Pentateuch

Publisher: T. & T. Clark Publishers | 2006-07-30 | ISBN: 0567025926 | 332 pages |

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why im not surprised.this also explain the end of the "prophetic" book of Daniel.

[ramana]

Please clarify about book of Daniel.



Thanks, ramana

[HareKrishna]

[quote name='ramana' date='29 September 2010 - 12:09 AM' timestamp='1285698675' post='108532']

Please clarify about book of Daniel.



Thanks, ramana

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it was an old discussion about when was the book of Daniel written.

conservative christians claim that it was written in 600bc,while in fact it was written in 167bc(the apocalyptic period when the book of Enoch was also written).

they also claim that the 4 empires are babilon,medo-persian,greeks and romans-its importan for them to mention romans because only so they could clain that it was a real prophecy(the romans enter in middle east only in 63bc).

but the 4 empires are babilon,medes,persians and greeks(no romans and nor revived roman empire whit antichrist as leader).





other dispute was the fact that the greek bible (Septuagint)was more accurate then Hebrew bible(how so if the greek one was copied from the webrew one?).

for exemple the greek one accurate describe the names and ages of patriarchs while the hebrew one contain mistakes in numbers and even miss one patriarch from the list(that patriarch appear in the next books so it wasn't an addition).

[ramana]

There was this American scholar who claims that Hebrew is early Greek. His books are on Scribd.

[ramana]

Admins can we split this thread so it can saved in single page format. I believe the software allows storing upto 12 pages.

[ramana]

Michael Fishbane, "Biblical Myth and Rabbinic Mythmaking"

Oxford University Press (2003) | English | ISBN 0198267339 | 478 pages |

This is a comprehensive and systematic exploration of myth in the Hebrew Bible. In addition, Michael Fishbane examines the ongoing role of Scripture in the expansion and transformation of myth in ancient Jewish sources (Midrash and Talmud) and in the classical work of medieval Jewish mysticism (the book of Zohar). The role of myth and monotheism is taken up, and the texts of myth are subjected to close analytical treatment, dealing with matters of form, theme, and theology. In particular, the creative role of exegesis, and its capacity to generate new myths and to justify older or pre-existent ones, is explored. Aspects of continuity and discontinuity with biblical and ancient Near Eastern sources are examined, and the explosive innovations of myth in the various literary phases are considered. In exploring three major phases of Jewish culture, Michael Fishbane offers a new appreciation for the reality of myth and its varieties. Many new conceptual and analytical categories are presented, as well as numerous close readings of the texts at hand.

[ramana]

A review of the above book



Review