BJP Future - 7

[Guest]

Rajasthan polls were a big morale booster. I hope Bihar BJP leaders sort out their differences and fight unitedly.



Btw, when the HM reads an officially prepared speech for police officers and talks about saffron terrorism, isn't the BJP supposed to react to it.

What trap is Swapan Dasgupta talking about? since when has he become a great political strategist. He thinks people will vote for the BJP because BJP supported the nuclear liability bill. How many voters would know about the liability bill.Is the media going to project a positive image of BJP just because they supported the bill. It is naive to think that if the media talks nice of the BJP, it will comeback to power.



He talks about truncation of NDA since 2004. Is it clear that when the BJP gets 180 seats and can form govt again, smaller parties will flock to it. What kind of political analysis is that.



Also the first time BJP got 180 seats, it was because UP gave the BJP 57 seats!!. 57 seats came to BJP because of the Ram temple movement.



The issue with the BJP is the lack of credibility it has when it talsk of Hindu issues. There was a report saying that Congress believes that BJP would have retained power if they had helped build the Ram temple when they were in power.

[ramana]

Expect INC to needle MNS to start some anti- Bihari tamasha and Bal Thackeray/SS to jump in and thus discredit BJP in Bihar.

[ramana]

Whats going on?



Source

Tribune, Chandigarh reports:

RSS rejects Advani’s proposal

Says no to ‘out-of-court settlement’ on Ayodhya dispute

Faraz Ahmad/TNS



New Delhi, August 29

The RSS has categorically rejected the “out-of-court settlement” being suggested by BJP parliamentary party chairman LK Advani and a section of Muslims for the 61-year-old Ram Janmabhoomi-Babri Masjid dispute.



Hoping to encash once more on the dispute, some Muslim activists like Jawed Habeeb, former convener of the All-India Babri Masjid Action Committee (AIBMC), were now active again, said former Rajya Sabha member Waseem Ahmad while reacting to a letter by Habeeb to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh asking for involving Advani in an out-of-court settlement.



Waseem said: “If there is anyone who has been faithfully following the whole thing even now, it is only Zafaryab Jilani who has been fighting these cases in various courts as well as the title suit in the Allahabad High Court.”



Waseem’s contention was borne out by RSS spokesman Ram Madhav who mentioned Jilani as a lone member of the Muslim community who is still involved in this dispute in some capacity.



Contrary to the prevalent perception, Ram Madhav said Jilani had already stated “if the verdict goes against us, we will approach the Supreme Court. So far, there is no preparation for any out-of-court settlement”.



Ram Madhav dismissed Habeeb’s initiative saying, “This is the fist time Habeeb has stated something like this. Let us see how much acceptance his idea commands among his community members.”



A day earlier, VHP international president Ashok Sinhgal had demanded that “a peaceful resolution of the dispute is possible only through legislation. Parliament must enact legislation to enable the peaceful handing over to Hindus of the disputed land in and around the demolished Babri Masjid where Ram Lala temple already stands”.



He also stated that he had written letters to all MPs asking them to support his cause. The letter says that MPs must take up the Ram Temple cause, support legislation by Parliament to hand over the site to Hindus and “prevent the insult” that may be heaped on Hindus.

[Capt M Kumar]

Speaking about their win, ABVP activists feel banning of posters has worked in their favour. According to ABVP spokesperson, Vikas Dahiya, "NSUI have no direct activities in colleges and they were flourishing on glamour politics in all these years. But handmade posters ensured that not faces, but the candidates agenda was be publicized."



Most NSUI officials were unreachable till late night. "The strategy of reserving one post of women seemed to have worked against us as it reduced the number of women candidates," said a former DUSU president. NSUI insiders also feel that ignoring the tried and tested NSUI seniors who were involved in DUSU politics worked in favour ABVP candidates.



Read more: 'CWG effect': ABVP sweeps DUSU polls - Delhi - City - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/...z0ybFas9EE

http://www.bhaskar.com/article/DEL-bhagv...30619.html

[Guest]

Whats going on?

Advani is looking for 50-50 so that he can get kudos from secular idiots.

[Capt M Kumar]

With the judgment in the Ayodhya court case just round the corner, the Bhartiya Janata Party is striving to raise the pitch on the controversial issue.



This was amply demonstrated at the party's two-day long state executive meet that concluded in Lucknow [ Images ] on Sunday.



Spelling it out in the valedictory address, amidst reverberating cries of Jai Shree Ram, former national BJP president Rajnath Singh declared, "The Ayodhya temple is bound to be a reality -- come what may."



"Who does not believe that Lord Ram was born in Ayodhya," he asked. http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/sep/0...-issue.htm

[Capt M Kumar]

BHOPAL: In a populist measure, Madhya Pradesh government will provide dinner for just Rs five in four major cities of the state under 'Ram Roti' scheme from September 25, the birth anniversary of Pt Deendayal Upadhyaya.



"We are going to provide dinner to around 1200 poor people living in 12 shelter homes in Bhopal, Indore, Gwalior and Jabalpur from September 25," Madhya Pradesh Urban Administration and Development Minister Babulal Gaur said on Monday.



Read more: Madhya Pradesh govt to provide dinner in Rs five to poor - India - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india...z0yjvaGUP7

[Guest]

BJP to form govt in Jharkhand. That has caught Congress by surprise. There might be some positive spillover into Bihar.

While one can debate whether to form govt with JMM or not or whether the govt will be stable or not, coming to power in any significant state witha BJP CM can't be that bad a thing.



ABVP wins DU polls after 8 years and also Rajasthan University polls.



Seems to be a major fight going in the Congress. People close to the family seem to be gunning for MMS.

[Capt M Kumar]

BJP’S plan to hold ‘jan panchayats’ to protest price rise may look like a routine campaign against the Centre’s economic policies. But, it may be an attempt to mobilise supporters ahead of the Ayodhya judgement.



This blending of economic and religious issues seems apparent from the timing of the six-day ‘mass campaign’ — its first phase ends on September 24, the day of the court verdict on the Ram Janmabhoomi-Babri Masjid title suit.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news...550627.cms

[Guest]

[url="http://ibnlive.in.com/news/modi-on-a-high-after-winning-in-cong-bastion/131359-37-64.html%3Ffrom%3Dtn"]Modi on a high after winning in Cong bastion[/url]

Kathlal: The victory of Bharatiya Janata Party in the Kathlal by-election in Gujarat has confirmed Chief Minister Narendra Modi's appeal in the state. Modi won in a traditional Congress bastion with a large Muslim population and the election result could redefine his political career.



Ayub Chauhan, 35, is one of the Muslim voters of Kathlal constituency in Central Gujarat who voted for the BJP. It's for the first time BJP won the Assembly constituency and Chauhan does not want to be left out of Gujarat's development story being scripted by Modi.

"We thought it's our Congress and kept voting for it. But the BJP is in Gujarat and everybody is benefiting. We thought why we should be left out," said Ayub Chauhan.



It is not just Ayub Chavan, others too echo similar sentiments. BJP supporters blame the Congress for neglecting their welfare in the past 50 years.

"This time round, we decided to work together. We told our Muslim brothers. Come with us. We will make BJP's Kanu Dabhi win," said BJP sympathiser Ghanshyam Patel.

"We had two options. Either to take the road that goes backwards or the one that goes forward. We chose the road ahead," added a Kathlal resident, Irfan Malik.



The Kathlal Assembly has traditionally been a Congress seat with 65 per cent of the 1.75 lakh voters being Muslims. The defeat is an embarrassment to the Congress and a blow to leader Shankersinh Vaghela in charge of the campaigning here.

Modi was quick to call the result a referendum, especially by Muslims, on the alleged misuse of the CBI by the Congress.



"A lesson has been taught to those who do vote bank politics in the name of secularism. Gujarat's Muslims have taught these people a lesson," said Modi.

[ramana]

Op-ed in Pioneer, 20 Sept., 2010

Hate does not work

September 21, 2010 1:04:14 AM



The Pioneer Edit Desk



It’s time Congress realised this truth



The Bharatiya Janata Party’s victory in the Gujarat Assembly byelection in Kathal constituency is a resounding slap in the face of the Congress that has stepped up its motivated campaign of slander and worse against Chief Minister Narendra Modi and the party after the CBI framed and arrested former Minister of State for Home Amit Shah in the alleged Sohrabuddin fake encounter case. The Congress may now seek to downplay the election outcome as being ‘unrepresentative’ of the political mood in the State as a whole and, therefore, inconsequential, but it cannot ignore the fact that it has lost this seat for the first time in 50 years, and that too with a spectacular margin of more than 21,000 votes. Nor can the party pretend to gloss over the fact that Kathal is in central Gujarat, a region which has generally voted for Congress in recent times, or that Muslims voted for the BJP in large numbers. The huge defeat can only be attributed to the alienation of large sections of the population, including Muslims, from the Congress. The results are a rejection of the hate politics the Congress has unleashed against Mr Modi, and the party’s constant attempt to keep communal fires burning even as the Chief Minister focuses on development and rapid progress. The BJP has been rightly raising the issue of Mr Amit Shah being hounded by the CBI, clearly on the instructions of the Congress-led Union Government — as much is evident from the agency’s prejudiced investigations and selective leaks to media. The election outcome shows that the people of Gujarat are not impressed by the Congress’s politics of vendetta and vindictive attitude towards Mr Modi; they are beginning to tire of it.



Since the setback for the Congress comes ahead of crucial civic elections in the State in October, the party should feel worried. The last big win the Congress has had in Gujarat was during the 2001 municipal elections; since then, it has been a downswing all along. Despite its vitriolic attacks on Mr Modi and efforts to discredit him, the Congress has miserably failed to mobilise opinion in its favour. Yet, despite the repeated electoral setbacks the Congress has suffered since 2002, it has been — and continues to remain — reluctant to abandon its ‘Hate Modi’ campaign, scripted by ‘secular’ jholawallahs who neither contest elections nor are accountable to the people. Their larger-than-life image propagated by a biased media and their proximity to certain leaders in the Congress allows them the opportunity to decide for the party what should it be its political line in Gujarat. That apart, there’s an important lesson for everybody to be learned from successive election results in Gujarat: The people of this State have moved on rather than be shackled by events of the past. Funnily though, others seem to be trapped in the past and are reluctant to let Gujarat surge ahead.

[Guest]

ramana garu,



Regarding BJP's victory in Kathal which is in central Gujarat and having a majority Muslims - I am suspicious and would take it with a tonne of salt



Something (wool over eyes ? ) is being pulled here and EVM may have been rigged to show that Modi is doing good etc. Or they want Modi and BJP to forget something in return of this victory and CBI cases. In reality same EVMs may be rigged in some other crucial state where INC needs a desperate victory. Let us not just watch the election space with usual electoral and performance based analysis.



I would request everyone to start thinking elections as some Sci-Fi movie and alway question why this happened ( What is past and what could be future ). INC may have given up Gujarat and even Karnataka and are selling lemon that INC has become useless. However, we have to watch their behavior in Bihar -



In Bihar the following option is extremely good for them. Read the fiction below:

(1) BJP gets a very good number of seats and Nitish gets a larger share too.

(2)RJD and Paswan loses badly

(3) INC gets 25 seats



Now Nitish has two option post poll - he can form a government with BJP or also with INC+few fringes. The few fringes can be bought from RJD and independents using money. However BJP and RJD cannot form a government.



Here is more fiction <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> Initially Nitish will form with BJP. But a time comes at the central government where they need Nitish's MPs both in LS and RS. Now comes the secular reminder to Nitish to dump BJP. The scenario will be created for Nitish where he will have no option but to plunge.



The bottomline - BJP supporters should not get over enthusiasting about certain victories but should see future possibilities and what kind of trecheory is ahead.

[ramana]

Good to be sceptical.



BTW if you read politics party guy you understand the pseudo-secular sychophant (PSS!) mindset. It helps to understand the thinking exhibited in popular forums & blogs on J&K mess.

[Guest]

[url="http://www.dailypioneer.com/285622/Uma-accompanies-Advani-in-Somnath-sparks-speculations.html"]Uma accompanies Advani in Somnath, sparks speculations[/url]

However, the BJP top brass is not ruling out her return to the party. BJP President Nitin Gadkari and Advani are keen on taking her back but Madhya Pradesh Chief Minister Shivraj Singh Chauhan and senior central leaders like Arun Jaitley, Sushma Swaraj and M Venkaiah Naidu are not in favour.

[Guest]

[quote name='ramana' date='22 September 2010 - 12:45 AM' timestamp='1285096044' post='108416']

Good to be sceptical.



BTW if you read politics party guy you understand the pseudo-secular sychophant (PSS!) mindset. It helps to understand the thinking exhibited in popular forums & blogs on J&K mess.

[/quote]

CWG is a good example.

J&K is a different story. All started after Brooking guys met J&K heroes in Washington (2009). That started whole circus.

[Guest]

BJP needs to gets it act fast; the pseudo-seculars are out and have started attacking with vengeance. Repeated focus on "faith" will have an effect on people; after the initial euphoria dies down it will become a hard battle winning the hearts and minds. BJP should come out with a decent defensive and offensive plan.

[Guest]

As a first step, BJP should hire Madras Sappers as they build bridges fast....kidding aside BJP, RSS and co should now reach out to moderate and influential Muslim groups. Win them and lots of muslims out. It is a perfect time to use the opportunity. BJP could conduct massive rallies and yatra under the aegis of RSS uniting diverse Indians all standing for the appeal.



In order to negotiate and buy the portion from Wakf board, the appeal has to stand. Either SC should not overrule or it has to be an out of court settlement. BJP cannot hit a six and then bat defensively; it has to squirrel ones and twos. And in this context it is reaching out and winning good muslim hearts. Better do it in a hurry, or the pseudoseculars will get them first.



Anybody listening?

[G.Subramaniam]

[quote name='Swamy G' date='03 October 2010 - 03:44 AM' timestamp='1286057199' post='108638']

As a first step, BJP should hire Madras Sappers as they build bridges fast....kidding aside BJP, RSS and co should now reach out to moderate and influential Muslim groups. Win them and lots of muslims out. It is a perfect time to use the opportunity. BJP could conduct massive rallies and yatra under the aegis of RSS uniting diverse Indians all standing for the appeal.



In order to negotiate and buy the portion from Wakf board, the appeal has to stand. Either SC should not overrule or it has to be an out of court settlement. BJP cannot hit a six and then bat defensively; it has to squirrel ones and twos. And in this context it is reaching out and winning good muslim hearts. Better do it in a hurry, or the pseudoseculars will get them first.



Anybody listening?

[/quote]



Muslims only vote by and large for the advancement of islam

Ambedkar wrote that muslims dont do politics based on socio-economics

A peasants party will be difficult for muslims as they will not act against a muslim landlord

A workers party will be difficult for muslims, since they will not act against a muslim capitalists



By and large muslims vote based on mullahs advice on who will allow a local mini-pakistan to expand



The best is to ignore them



There are no moderate muslim groups

Scratch them and you will find an islamist under the skin

Asghar Ali Engineer ?, Javed Anand ?

Late Rafiq Zachariah?

Maulana Azad ?



IMHO, I am 99.99% sure that there will be no Supreme court case, because the Supreme court will refuse to hear the appeal

and even if it does, will not reverse it

[G.Subramaniam]

Replying to G.Swamy,



In 1937, Nehru went on a mass contact program with muslims

Nehru was defacto, culturally a muslim



Yet it failed and Ambedkar noted it



Ambedkar and Nehru himself later realised that muslims only respond

to religious appeals



The correct method is to ignore them



a-la Narendra Modi

[Guest]

Just because it failed thousand times in History, does not mean it should not be tried out again. By trying, automatically does not mean one should abandon or hedge all bets in that action.



I disagree that IM should be ignored; they are Indian citizens and growth of the country has to take care of their desires and fears.