BJP Future - 7

[ramana]

BJP should let the fake seculars and Congress sort themselves out. By saying any thing they will close ranks and be united against the BJP. Soon INC and its FHLs will part company.

[G.Subramaniam]

[quote name='Swamy G' date='03 October 2010 - 10:06 PM' timestamp='1286123324' post='108652']

Just because it failed thousand times in History, does not mean it should not be tried out again. By trying, automatically does not mean one should abandon or hedge all bets in that action.



I disagree that IM should be ignored; they are Indian citizens and growth of the country has to take care of their desires and fears.

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How often do you suggest that we bang our heads on the wall again and again.



Their desire is to re-impose islamic rule on India again and their fear is that they may fail in this

[Guest]

So do you think ignoring 150-200 million of our own people is the way to go? When the country climbs up economically and militarily people will want to be part of such a country.



Past wrongs on Hindus ought to be recognized and corrected where ever possible. But that does not mean when we revive our glory and heritage and send them to even more illustrious period we should ignore our own people. Give the helping hand, some will bite it, some will kick it, some will chop it, but some will take it. It is painful, but a carrot and stick approach should not be abandoned.

[G.Subramaniam]

[quote name='Swamy G' date='04 October 2010 - 09:05 AM' timestamp='1286162821' post='108661']

So do you think ignoring 150-200 million of our own people is the way to go? When the country climbs up economically and militarily people will want to be part of such a country.



Past wrongs on Hindus ought to be recognized and corrected where ever possible. But that does not mean when we revive our glory and heritage and send them to even more illustrious period we should ignore our own people. Give the helping hand, some will bite it, some will kick it, some will chop it, but some will take it. It is painful, but a carrot and stick approach should not be abandoned.

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85% of muslims solely vote on religious issues or more precisely on screwing the kafir



Consider the Deganga riots

The local muslims voted for the Haji, because he promised to put an illegal mike on the mosque and grab Hindu temple land

for a graveyard.



What are Indian muslim demands - I will tell you - religious electoral seats like SC-ST, over-reservation in police and army,

dropping of cases against 'innocent muslims' such as SIMI, allowing cow slaughter, banning hindu processions near mosques, allowing love jihad, creating more Mallapurams and muslim districts and muslim pradeshes - these are only the start, the end is of course another partition and eventually full islamisation of India



No Hindu party can afford to meet these demands

The BJP has several times offered to solve their socio-economic problems in exchange for their dropping fundamentalism, and been rebuffed every time



There is no easy solution to the muslim problem, except containment

Their religion prevents them from indentifying with a non-muslim ruled country

See how they behave in the west, with all the welfare schemes of the west.

[G.Subramaniam]

@G-Swamy



In 1969, Hamid Dalwai, a believing muslim, who was yet a nationalist and in the good books of the RSS

wrote that every muslim complaint is based on that they are a non-ruling minority

They hate Congress, Socialists, Communists and Jan Sangh, because they were all Hindu controlled



He even spoke to kashmiri muslims and their gripe was India was not a muslim majority country



He even dissected Ghaffar Khan, that his trajectory was downward, from being Frontier Gandhi, due to muslim cultural factors



Hamid Dalwai, blamed muslim culture- He did not dig deeper that this muslim culture is due to koran and hadiths



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http://hvk.org/Publications/wit.html







WIT AND WISDOM OF HAMID DALWAI'

A SECULAR MUSLIM



Excerpts from his Book "Muslim Politics In Secular India"



1.4 - It is difficult for a Hindu to visualize, except by a special effort of reason and the imagination, a mind that is almost totally lacking in the conception of the individual and derives the significance of human life solely from the individual's membership of a collectivity. (pg. 12)



3.9 - Indian Muslims still regard themselves as Pakistanis, and they believe that their emancipation has been ensured by the creation of Pakistan. (pg-50)



4.1 - All Muslim leaders unanimously complain that injustice is done to Muslims in India. However, they have a strange definition of injustice.....



One of the methods of ensuring justice is to claim that Pakistani infiltrators in Assam are not Pakistani at all. A second method is to demand the granting of Indian citizenship to those Pakistanis who are illegal residents of Bihar, West Bengal and some other states of India. A third method is to oppose family planning. (pg.53)



4.6 - Jinnah was not fighting Savarkar and Golwalkar. He never mentioned their communalism. He never mentioned their communalism. Jinnah accused Gandhi of being a Hindu communalist, refusing to concede his demands. He criticised Nehru in the same way. Similarly, when Muslim leaders hold communalists responsible for the partition, they want to suggest that it was Gandhi and Nehru who were 'Hindu communalists'.



4.8 - Independence, according to the Muslims, is synonymous with all power being concentrated in the hands of the Muslim community. (pg-66)



4.9 - They claim that the Hindu majority in India treats them with injustice. They fail to realize that their definition of Islam is twisted and strange, for these leaders believe that the greatest injustice to Indian Muslims is the simple fact that there is a majority of Hindus in this country. (pg.69)

[G.Subramaniam]

Savarkar on Indian muslims - with you, without you, inspite of you

[G.Subramaniam]

The only muslim politics I want BJP to do is to block muslim steps to another partition, block efforts at local mini-pakistans, and block muslims getting too much into army, central forces, police and overall block muslim appeasements



If BJP does not do this and wants muslim votes, why not vote for congress

[Guest]

It is the pseudo-seculars, Marxist and Muslim intellectuals who have taken the Muslims on a ride. It is foolish if Hindus or BJP do not attempt to cut that string or do anything about it. Writing countless pages on past is not going to help us, we read and learn from it. But then we have the present we ought to hold the bull by its horns and move on.

[G.Subramaniam]

[quote name='Swamy G' date='04 October 2010 - 09:37 PM' timestamp='1286207997' post='108672']

It is the pseudo-seculars, Marxist and Muslim intellectuals who have taken the Muslims on a ride. It is foolish if Hindus or BJP do not attempt to cut that string or do anything about it. Writing countless pages on past is not going to help us, we read and learn from it. But then we have the present we ought to hold the bull by its horns and move on.

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Wrong it is the Muslims who are taking the seculars for a ride

A muslim joins Trinamul, his son joins CPM, his cousin joins Congress, and each milk their secular party for sops and muslims get 3 times the benefits, which goes towards their goal of creating and expanding mini-pakistans

Once a secular party has maxed out on muslim benefits, they switch to another party

CPM imported 4 million muslims into WB, muslims took their sop, for more sops they switched to Mamata



What we do need to learn from history, that even a saint like Gandhi or a half-muslim like Nehru could not reach muslims



In Gujurat, where Modi is making no muslim specific sops, muslims have started voting for Modi

[G.Subramaniam]

The only reason to vote for BJP vs Congress is its opposition to muslim and xtian appeasement

[Guest]

You are wrongly concluding that reaching out means appeasing muslims. Neither Hindus nor Muslims have to be appeased, if dharma prevails.

[G.Subramaniam]

[quote name='Swamy G' date='05 October 2010 - 08:54 PM' timestamp='1286291811' post='108691']

You are wrongly concluding that reaching out means appeasing muslims. Neither Hindus nor Muslims have to be appeased, if dharma prevails.

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What makes muslims happy is killing hindus, raping hindu women and destroying hindu temples



All have happened in Deganga with secular parties like Trinamul and CPM obliging the sentiments of muslims



Per Ambedkar, a muslim is incapable of looking at socio-economic factors

[Pandyan]

So do you think ignoring 150-200 million of our own people is the way to go? When the country climbs up economically and militarily people will want to be part of such a country.

With such thick around, no wonder Hindus just keep running around in circles like morons. Since when are sullas our own people? Since when have muslims acted with Hindu interests in mind or have made any concessions or at least lived a peaceful coexistence? muslims don't want to be part of anything, they just want to gain majority demographically and pillage and rape weakling losers like you and that urdu lover eid

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[Guest]

[quote name='Swamy G' date='05 October 2010 - 08:54 PM' timestamp='1286291811' post='108691']

You are wrongly concluding that reaching out means appeasing muslims. Neither Hindus nor Muslims have to be appeased, if dharma prevails.

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Even when Dharma prevailed, they stole big chunk of India.

[Bharatvarsh2]

Let's see, its been nearly 1300 since the first Muslim attacks.



In that time numerous bhakti sants like Kabir, Guru Nanak and Prannath swami tried to reach out to the Muslims.



In modern times Gandhi too tried with disastrous results.



Yet we apparently need to be keep continuing this one sided "dialogue" while they rape, kill and pillage us?



The most recent instance is what happened in Deganga.



Islam and Christianity cannot be cured of their self righteousness, you can only discredit and eradicate them.



A Muslim or a Christian becomes part of us when he returns to Sanatana Dharma not before. The only "reaching out" that is required is the reaching out that the Arya Samaj did back in the day with their shuddhi campaign.

[Guest]

Wow, some of you are incapable of thinking. You know who you are. You see the World as black and white. pheew..... Let me repeat slowly so that some of you dumb folks can understand this better. Reaching out to Muslims does not mean, Hindus should not stand up for what is righteous (dharma). If you do not get your head out of your .......sooner, you will be in a shock when you eventually yank it out. Wow....no doubt BJP is so lacking with such brilliant people who cannot even read and understand posts. How are they going to understand complex humans. Oh Muruga save India.

[Bharatvarsh2]

[quote name='Swamy G' date='06 October 2010 - 11:17 AM' timestamp='1286381396' post='108709']

Wow, some of you are incapable of thinking. You know who you are. You see the World as black and white. pheew..... Let me repeat slowly so that some of you dumb folks can understand this better. Reaching out to Muslims does not mean, Hindus should not stand up for what is righteous (dharma). If you do not get your head out of your .......sooner, you will be in a shock when you eventually yank it out. Wow....no doubt BJP is so lacking with such brilliant people who cannot even read and understand posts. How are they going to understand complex humans. Oh Muruga save India.

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Your brilliant strategy of "reaching out" as I have said has been tried for the last 700 or so years in various forms and has been an outrageous failure.



You can go "reach out" but I have more important things to do than kiss more Muslim ass.



Not a day goes by without some Muslim atrocity on Hindus whether it is in Deganga or Kashmir and I am sick of it and sick of people like you.



How about Muslims "reach out" to Hindus for a change?



How about they moved the mosques in Ayodhya, Kashi and Mathura (mosques are moved routinely in many Muslim countries) as a sign of goodwill. They didn't and instead did their best to keep these signs of Islamic imperialism where they are.



The only reaching out I do is to bring Muslims and Xtians back into Santana Dharma.



On a side not who are all these mythical "moderate Muslim groups"?



Scratch a "moderate Muslim" you will find a an apologist for Islamic crimes underneath the verneer whether its MJ Akbar, Rafiq Zakaria, Asghar Ali Engineer or Yasmin Alibai Brown.



The only "moderate" Muslims out of the hundreds of Muslim fanatics who write in Indian newspapers were Hamid Dalwai and MC Chagla and they were both boycotted by their own community and if I remember correctly one of their daughters ended up marrying a Hindu because Muslims refused to marry into their family.

[Bharatvarsh2]

Is Geert Wilders going and kissing Muslim ass?



Flattering them by telling them that Islam itself is great and that extremists pervert its message?



He is doing the very opposite and is publicly telling the truth about Islam. This is the kind of public outreach that needs to be done, not lie to the people about the greatness of Islam to appease Muslim fanatics which is what "Muslim outreach" schemes of people like Swamy G typically entail.



In India almost all Hindu men have long ago become napumsaka's (eunuchs) and cannot speak the truth about Islam even when their women are raped daily but this state of castration is not natural and there is no need to perpetuate it among the future generations through retarded "Muslim outreach" schemes. If Muslims are interested then let them take the initiative and try for reconciliation, Hindus have done more than enough for peace.

[Guest]

You can go "reach out" but I have more important things to do than kiss more Muslim ass.

Yup, I can guess based on your rants and whines here. There is no way in hell can I take you to a comprehension class. If the suggestion is for BJP to reach out, it does not preclude Muslims behavior.



Such fanatic thinking has done a whole lot more harm to us Hindus over centuries. Sad.

[Guest]

Bharath, what is happening in Karnataka? Looks like the BJP govt is going to fall because of Cong JDs machinations?