Wisconsin Shooting -Aug 2012

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nati...story.html



Sikh temple shooter identified as Wade Michael Page, skinhead band leader

OAK CREEK, Wis. — The gunman who killed six people at a Sikh temple south of Milwaukee on Sunday and critically wounded three others, including a police officer, was identified Monday as Wade Michael Page, a 40-year-old Army veteran with reported links to the white supremacist movement.

Edwards said Page, who lived in a neighboring community, served in the military from 1992 to 1998, received a “general discharge” and was “ineligible for reenlistment.” A Pentagon official said Page rose to the rank of sergeant before being demoted to specialist and leaving the Army. News agencies reported that Page, who was never posted overseas during his six years of service, was discharged for being drunk on duty and other unspecified misconduct.

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Shooter was band leader of End Apathy's



http://www.myspace.com/endapathyband/photos



based on the photos (album covers, Nazi and WN flags at concerts, etc).

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guy on right is a shooter

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From his site



Based out of North Carolina, End Apathy is the creation of Wade who previously has played with several US bands including Youngland. EA was his solo creation and over the years he wrote and recorded several songs by himself. This past year he hooked up with Brent and the Definite Hate guys and they have been jamming and recording. End Apathy has now played several live shows and their first recordings are also out now on the split 7" vinyl with Definite Hate released by Label 56 in February of 2011. I am very happy to be working with Wade and End Apathy as they have a great old school hardcore/punk sound to them and remind me a lot of the old California skate bands of the 80`s. You can read an interview with Wade here (*)



(*) Unfortunately, the link to the interview appearing on this site http://uprisedirect.blogspot.com returns a hosted page that the article no longer exists. Label 56 has also issued a statement on their home page, "...all images and products related to End Apathy have been removed from our site. We do not wish to profit from this tragedy financially or with publicity."

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FBI - Person of Interest:

Cops are looking for this guy

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Note the May 2010 interview is mentioned in part, even with Q&A excerpts, on various news sites but the full interview in at least two locations has since has been scrubbed.

http://www.milwaukeemag.com/article/8620...ShooterIDd

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[url="http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_JOPLIN_MOSQUE_FIRE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-08-06-12-03-58"]JOPLIN MOSQUE RAZED IN FIRE; 2ND BLAZE THIS SUMMER[/url]

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[url="http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/06/opinion/kaur-sikhs/"]Today, we are all American Sikhs[/url]

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[url="http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-sikh-shooting-gunman-0120806,0,912971.story"]Sikh temple shootings: Gunman acted alone, officials say[/url]

Kamardeep Kaleka, whose father, Satwant, the president of the temple, was killed in the attack, said he spotted the “person of interest” outside the temple on Sunday and reported it to police. Investigators would not comment about the man's tattoos, but Kaleka said an FBI official told him the shooter and the person of interest “have matching tattoos.”



“I think it's a highly organized operation,” Kaleka said of the attack as he left the briefing for a private meeting between investigators and members of the Sikh community.



Meanwhile authorities continued their search for a motive. Local officials said they had no contact with Page prior to Sunday’s shooting. Federal authorities said they knew of no past threats to the Sikh temple.

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Heidi Beirich, director of the Southern Poverty Law Center's intelligence project, said Page had been on the group's radar since 2000, when he tried to purchase goods from the National Alliance, a well-known hate group. She said the group has evidence that Page attended "hate events" around the country.

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[url="http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/06/us/wisconsin-shooting-victims/index.html"]Wisconsin temple shooting victims: Putting others first[/url]

Amardeep Kaleka was not surprised his father tried to stop a gunman at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin.



"It's an amazing act of heroism, but it's also exactly who he was," Amardeep said of Satwant Singh Kaleka, 65, one of six community members killed Sunday. "There was no way in God's green Earth that he would allow somebody to come in and do that without trying his best to stop it."



The six killed in Sunday's attack were identified by police as five men -- Kaleka, president of the temple in Oak Creek; Sita Singh, 41; Ranjit Singh, 49; Prakash Singh, 39, and Suveg Singh, 84 -- and one woman, 41-year-old Paramjit Kaur.



Prakash Singh was a priest who recently immigrated to the United States with his wife and two young children, said Justice Singh Khalsa, a temple member since the 1990s.



Amardeep Kaleka told CNN Milwaukee affiliate WTMJ on Monday morning that the FBI told him his father attacked the shooter in the lobby, resulting in a "blood struggle." A knife close to the victim's body showed blood on it, he said.



"From what we understand, he basically fought to the very end and suffered gunshot wounds while trying to take down the gunman," said Kanwardeep Singh Kaleka, Satwant's nephew.



Satwant Kaleka's wife hid in a closet with several other women, telling them to remain quiet during the horrific incident.



"My father did his best to protect the temple, but also my family and his wife and all his friends and people that were there," Amardeep Kaleka told WTMJ. "He slowed the shooter enough so other people could get to safety." Suveg Singh spent every day at the temple, said his granddaughter, Sandeep Khattra.

President Barack Obama signed a proclamation honoring the victims, ordering that U.S. flags be flown at half-staff at federal facilities and buildings.

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[url="http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article3735110.ece"]India seeks more security for religious places in U.S.[/url]

Krishna calls up Hillary, requests full and prompt probe into Wisconsin gurdwara killings that left 6 dead



India has sought strengthening of security around places of worship in the United States and urged Washington to come out with a strong message of reassurance to the Indian community following the Wisconsin gurdwara shooting that left six dead.

In US, Federal Government are not involved in local security, it is city/State responsibility. Federal get involved when cross state issues/crime.

[Capt Manoj Singh]

These race crimes are mostly perpetrated by white people, particularly those who are uneducated and thus unable to differentiate between different cultures. I am struggling to remember when was it last that a non-Muslim Black or Brown person opened fire on unarmed white people who are in a peaceful congregation. I join all Indians and NRI's in condemning this ghastly act of cowardice. May peace be with the Sikh community.

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[quote name='Capt Manoj Singh' date='07 August 2012 - 01:30 PM' timestamp='1344325976' post='115304']

These race crimes are mostly perpetrated by white people, particularly those who are uneducated and thus unable to differentiate between different cultures. I am struggling to remember when was it last that a non-Muslim Black or Brown person opened fire on unarmed white people who are in a peaceful congregation. I join all Indians and NRI's in condemning this ghastly act of cowardice. May peace be with the Sikh community.

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African Americans had killed 5-6 Sikhs cabbies since 9/11 in Oakland, CA.



These pure race and fanatic Christian don't believe in Live and let other live.



I think, it will get worse because liberals are pushing them in corner and that will have reverse reaction one day.

[ramana]

One thinge we can do is gather all the crimes against Sikhs since 911 and show if there is a pattern and demand better protection by putting away race/hate crime gangs.

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[quote name='ramana' date='08 August 2012 - 01:02 AM' timestamp='1344367447' post='115307']

One thinge we can do is gather all the crimes against Sikhs since 911 and show if there is a pattern and demand better protection by putting away race/hate crime gangs.

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Here comes hate from Sikhs, . <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/angry.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':angry:' />

In place, they should work towards improving Sikh identity , they are busy spreading more hatred.



http://sikhsangat.org/1699/bay-area-sikh...er-pogrom/

San Francisco, California: A nonprofit Sikh organization launched a BART poster campaign this month in hopes that a photograph of an elderly crying woman will spur mainstream riders to learn more about the massacre of people in India 25 years ago. The 20-poster, $10,000-campaign on BART stations in San Francisco and Oakland is spearheaded by the Fremont-based Ensaaf group, said co-director Jaskaran Kaur. Ads appeared Nov. 2, and will last a month. The campaign is in honor of the 25th anniversary of pogroms against Sikhs in India.



Kaur acknowledged that the campaign refers to a seemingly obscure period of history for most BART riders.



“I think that’s why people will be interested,” Kaur said. “Our goal is for someone to read the ad, do a double take and visit our Web site to get more information to learn about abuses against Sikhs and other minorities.”



Her group strives to achieve justice for mass state crimes in India with a focus on Punjab. The Consulate General of India in San Francisco did not return phone calls and e-mails seeking comment about the campaign.



Though the BART poster campaign is subtle, the ads refer to the biggest flash point of modern-day tensions between Sikhs and the Indian government. In the 1980s, Sikh separatists attacked Hindu minorities in northern India. In retaliation, the Indian army moved into the holiest of Sikh shrines, the Golden Temple in Amritsar, on a holiday in June 1984, removing the Sikh militants, killing hundreds and damaging the temple.



On Oct. 31, 1984, two Sikh bodyguards assassinated Indian Prime Minister Indira Gandhi. And the next day, members of an Indian political party began a campaign in which thousands of Sikhs were killed, wounded, raped, burned and tortured.

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The BART ad campaign was partially the brainstorm of Nirvair Singh, 44, a Cupertino software engineer who was a college student in Punjab at the time of the violence.

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These are labeled as hate crime.



Timeline: A History of Violence against Sikhs in the Wake of 9/11



http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/08/06/time...ke-of-911/

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August 8, 2012 (MILWAUKEE) (WLS) -- Wade Michael Page died of a self-inflicted gunshot after opening fire at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin on Sunday.

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[quote name='Mudy' date='08 August 2012 - 06:22 AM' timestamp='1344386655' post='115308']

Here comes hate from Sikhs, . <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/angry.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':angry:' />

In place, they should work towards improving Sikh identity , they are busy spreading more hatred.



http://sikhsangat.org/1699/bay-area-sikh...er-pogrom/

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Someone needs to remind these khalistanis that Hindus don't show photos of AK-47 carrying Sikh terrorists and kids, or massacre and bomb blasts carried out by them in India, either in America or in other countries. If they do, white people will easily connect Sikhs to Talibans and Palestinian terrorist groups. Hindus don't do that and expect proper behavior from them too.

[Capt Manoj Singh]

[quote name='shamu' date='08 August 2012 - 08:31 PM' timestamp='1344453831' post='115316']

Someone needs to remind these khalistanis that Hindus don't show photos of AK-47 carrying Sikh terrorists and kids, or massacre and bomb blasts carried out by them in India, either in America or in other countries. If they do, white people will easily connect Sikhs to Talibans and Palestinian terrorist groups. Hindus don't do that and expect proper behavior from them too.

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When the first of the Parsi's came to India from Persia they asked the Kings if they could stay in India. The King said India is already overflowing with people where is the place for others? To which the Parsi leader showed the King a container full of water. He said that is India and he then poured two spoons of sugar into the container and not a drop spilled out from the container. He said Parsi's are like sugar they will sweeten the community and not displace them. King was so impressed that he allowed them to stay in India indefinitely.



The Sikhs should take a lesson from the above story and learn to move on in life. The poster campaign is counter-productive!!