An open letter to the Administrators of India Discussion Forum

Hi ,

I live in India and as my name suggests I am a revolutionary Marxist.And i am also an Internationalist who thinks that all the man made invisible and imaginary borders that divide people must go. I believe in class struggle and one day the world wide revolution by proletarians to overthrow all the bourgeoisie's government all over the world is inevitable.

I am also an Atheist. I consider <b>all religions</b> are just opiums to people and must die out inherently. I do not endorse the view of the so called Secularism.

By saying that i am a Marxist i do not endorse the View of the communists parties of India(Marxist,Marxist-Leninist,Maoists). I consider they are all traitors to workers and peasants of India whom they claim to represent. I don't know why they have Communist in their names....

My point here is I am a male of 24 yrs of Age .I work as a computer salesman and i think that the communism based on the Marxist theory will be the only way out for people of the landmass called India. I am not an veteran Marxist but a learner. But my learning had came to a halt since i never discussed about my political views with anybody and i found this place through google search and registerd just some minutes before posting this one.My question is will my views will be discussed by the members of this board with criticisms which will be constructive and mutually usefull to every one or will I be considered as an unwelcome member or considered as a troll ?

i put forth that questions because of some bad experiences in other forums ??? pls reply to my post . i hope will get an positive reply thank you

The linked blog and the accompanying news it carries with pictures is infinitely barbaric. The source of the news and pictures the blogger has used seems to originate from lankaweb.com a virulently anti-hindu (anti tamil translating to anti-hindu, pitting Buddhists vs Hindus and many other things really). The title of both items (Lankaweb and blog) are therefore oppurtunistic. But I'd like readers to read the report which seems fair. It mostly eschews on name calling but reports sincerely on brutal massacre of a lower caste family(even admitting the perpetrators were OBCs which is really pointless in such a gruesome act).

This in many ways is reality that people of lower castes do face. It also is symbolic of what is important to our media (Jessica, Mattoo) and what is purposely left largely unreported.

Here is more info on the incident, unfortunately again from a blog.

WARNING: The links are graphic in nature

http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2006/11...ching_ridic.asp

Snatching ridicule from the jaws of defeat

Rae Hart Anderson, an unsuccessful Republican candidate for the Minnesota state senate, got her 15-minutes of fame in the blogosphere this weekend. The reason? A rambling and poorly punctuated concession email in which she urged incumbent State Senator Satveer Chaudhary (DFL-Fridley), who is a Hindu, to convert to Christianity. "Pay attention...this is very important, Satveer," Anderson wrote. "Have you noticed Jesus for yourself...at some moment in time, yet??"

Talk about your tee-ball. After WCCO published the email, pundits of all stripes-and from all area codes--jumped on the story. "Jesus freak 'concedes' to Hindu winner," blared the headline at the political blog, Wonkette, which went on to characterize Anderson as "loopy" and declared her email "insane." Over at Time magazine's Daily Dish, conservative Andrew Sullivan struck a somewhat incredulous tone, writing: "And some Republicans are wondering why they lost. The denial continues." (In the insult to injury department, Sullivan managed to misidentify Anderson's gender--no doubt, a bitter affront to the traditional values fetishist in her).

By Sunday, Anderson was even getting slapped around in pages of her hometown paper. ("Another Christian culture warrior forgets how to make Minnesota Nice)." In addition to recounting the particulars of the email, Strib columnist Nick Coleman made passing reference to one of Chaudhary's previous scrapes with Small Tent Republicans--an incident in which State Senator Bill Belanger (R-Bloomington) asked that Chaudhary be removed from the senate chambers for the offense of wearing a Nehru coat instead of the traditional jacket and tie. The gambit did not pay off, but--in a not-so-proud moment for both the party and the institution--it was debated on the floor.

For his part, Chaudhary says Anderson's sermon-by-email was just one of several strange behaviors his opponent exhibited over the course of the campaign. "At one of the debates, she held up a picture of Elvis wearing a lab coat with one of those Dr. Seuss cat-in-the-hat hats. She made some reference to Halloween but we were all very confused by it," Chaudhary recalls. "I still don't know what the connection was to the campaign."

Chaudhary says he didn't respond to Anderson's email. "Perhaps I should have said Lord Krishna died for you," he offers. "But why bother getting into it after such a walloping victory?"

Anderson, who received 36 percent of the vote, did not return City Pages calls for comment.

Posted by Mike Mosedale at November 20, 2006 03:59 PM

Looking around at various fora, and reading the news when it comes to pakistani discussions it often seems that the GOI is more reactive and hardly pro active when it comes to dealing with pakistan and the various threats it has posed since partition.

Pakistan established itself as an islamic state during partition and constantly needs to remind themselves as to the reasons for its continued existence. Putting it bluntly, it has been for the last 1000 years a clash between two civilisations in the Sub continent, being the islamists vs the Hindu cultures.

Pakistan managed to partition bharat and the clash of civilisations continues on today, with pakistan needing to instill greater and greater radical islamic teachings in its madrassahs to

a) Provide Islam as a primary continuing factor for nationalism.
b) Provide a sense of Unity among its various states that bear a resentment towards Punjab.
c) Provide a sense of cause where in national problems by the common man are ignored, like increasing levels of poverty and increasing levels of unemployment and instead these sentiments are fuelled towards their perception of India being the problem.
d) Kashmir thus serves as a factor for jihad and unity among muslims, to the fact that socio economic problems as listed above are being ignored and the chain of madrassahs serves as an ever ready source for trained terrorists to wage jihad.
e) The small minority elite which controls most of the land and wealth, employs the greater part of the population for agricultural purposes are staunchly opposed to greater democratic principles and support the dictatorship army to toe the line towards their needs.
f) Indeed the exponential growth of madrassahs and radical Islamic teaching has seen greater prominence for Pakistan with numerous links around the world to terrorist activities.

Indeed Pakistan has been successful to an extent with much of the above, for the fact that it has :

a) Invaded and held onto territory after the first Kashmir war, hold onto a large tract of Kashmir which it has renamed as the Northern territories.
b) Created a land bridge with China, who uses Pakistan as its proxy for furthering its own ideals towards destabilsing India.
c) As a proxy from China and after handing over land in Kashmir for which it had no right, has enjoyed china’s assistance in military transfers including combat jets, nuclear weapons and delivery systems making it a nuclear state and a severe threat now to India’s security.
d) Managed to toe the line when it comes to their foreign policy with regard to the US, and have now received F16 combat jets and bvr capability.
e) Managed to acquire AWACS capability with the Erieye system, with US support and financial aid.
f) Potential order of further submarines from france, again with US financial aid.
g) Serving to polarize India’s society and often instigating acts of terrorism in India through suicide bombings in public places with wanton killing of innocents on a weekly basis to create confusion organized by the clandestine army wing known as ISI.
h) Serve to take advantage of points of discord between India and its other neighbours, often serving to fund terrorist activities from these countries against India and pushing terrorists and weapons from their respective borders. Bangladesh has established itself as another thorn.
i) Received much fianancial aid from Saudi Arabia to fund the growth of madrassahs and churn out waves of radicalized youth for their objectives as listed.

So now we have a reasonable idea of the problem, I’d like this thread to focus on future plans as to how we can deal with Pakistan. Personally I feel that it is in India’s and now the worlds interest to see that Pakistan in its current form cannot exist and that it needs to be dismembered for long term peace and stability.
In the following posts I’d like to start and will add later as to what India’s future policy needs to address now with regards to Pakistan on both a <b>strategic and a military </b>aspect so that we can address this constant thorn in our side that seeks to bleed India and its people.
Hopefully we will be able to see if a pattern emerges between what is posted in this thread and if it is in anyway related to India’s policy.

In standard Indian historiography, the death of Aurangzeb in 1707, is generally considered as the beginning of the period of Moden India. This does not mean that modernity suddenly emerged in India when Aurangzeb died, rather to suggest that it was an important even a watershed in Indian history.

What can be the reasons for 1707 to be considered as the beginning of Modern India? Was it that significant an event. I feel we need to look deeper. What essentially is modernity. When does a society evolve to become Modern. Take Japan's case, its watershed is considered to be 1853, when the US Admiral Perry did a blockade of Japan forcing it to open its economy for trading with other nations. This had far reaching consequences for the political and social set up of Japan. It was the trigger which displaced the Samurai elite with their feudal medieval set up and ushered industrialization of Japan. Just about 50 years later, in 1905 Japan's navy was strong enough to defeat a European power like Russia.
Is 1707 that significant a date in Indian history. Medievalism did not die out with Aurangzeb, rather I believe it lasted more than a century after that.

In 1818 the British conclusively defeated the Marathas and thus the last of the Indian powers outside of its rule. Should 1818 be considered the important date. But Maratha power was majorly destroyed in the Battle of Assaye in 1803, when Scindia and Bhosle's forces were defeated by the British. For that matter should 1857 be considered that date, as that conclusively showed that feudal India was no match to imperialistic Britian, but an India with national consciousness was a serious threat. Please compare, in 1857 was India any more modern than say China or Japan. Yes telegraphy and railways had just been introduced, but that had not seeped into the society or become part of life. the life of an average Indian was hardly different from an average Chinese or Japanese, maybe more the poorer due to British oppression.

I would not like to say anymore, as I feel this is a discussion point where more can contribute.
Regards,
Kartik

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Tourists will soon enjoy the flavour of Rajputana style weddings in Gujarat</b>
Pioneer.com
Aneesha Sareen | Chandigarh
The ancient State of Gujarat is all set to lure tourists with the everlasting concept of royal weddings in heritage tourist spots and palaces and has special packages to offer keeping in view the fascinations of Non-Resident Indians and foreigners who come to India in large numbers, every year.

This was disclosed by adviser and travel planner from Gujarat JK Jhala, who was in the city to attend the 42nd Annual Convention of Federation of Hotel and Restaurant Associations (FHRAI).
 
Talking to the Pioneer on the sidelines of the convention, the travel adviser said that the State is ready to attract tourists the Rajasthani way, with weddings organised in royal palaces in complete 'Rajputana style'.

<b>"For these marriages vintage cars will be used and the ambience and the arrangements will transport you in the bygone era," he said.
 
He added that the proposal has already been approved and they have even started to receive orders from Non-Resident Indians.

"The foreigners are crazy for our culture and they are very enthusiastic about organising marriage in traditional Indian styles complete with all the requisite jewellery to get a feel of the ancient times," he said.

The palaces that have been roped in for the concept are Rajpipla Palace, which is just 20 kilometre from Narmada Dam, Gondal Palaces as well as the temples of Bhavnagar, he said. The package of the entire ceremony mounts to Rs 25 to 30 lakh and the concept will boost the tourism in country like anything</b>, he said.

Moreover,<b> a project of special transport on sea by the name of 'Palace on Sea' is already in the pipeline to promote tourism, he said. A coastal festival along the 1650 kilometre belt from Udvadha to Kanch Mandvi is also one of our proposed projects where hotels will line along the decorated beach,</b> he said.

In addition, plans are to divert tourists to Kutch desert to promote desert tourism in the State is on the anvil, he said.
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<b>Catholic nun jailed for 30 years for her part in Rwandan genocide</b>

[center]<b><span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>Muslim League Attack on Sikhs and Hindus in the Punjab 1947</span></b>[/center]

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IMHO, this should be on the First page of the following Threads :

1. Pakistan News and Discussion

2. Radicalisation Of Indian Muslims

3. Islamism
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Missing the big picture</b>At a time when Pakistan’s sprawling textile industry was confidently expecting large-scale increase in its exports, following the end of the textile quota, the foreign sales have come down by over 10 per cent during July-September compared to the same period last year.

According to present negative trends, the current quarter’s export performance, it is feared, may turn out to be far worse. Urgent remedial measures have to be taken by the government, industry and exporters, if the adverse trend is to be reversed decisively

<b>The fall in Pakistan’s textile exports has come at a time when not only South Asian <span style='color:blue'><i>[call it India]</i> competitors in this sector are doing very well but even Cambodia in the Far East </span>is said to be exporting more textiles than Pakistan</b>.

This has happened despite the<b> investment of five billion dollars on the expansion and modernisation of the industry and a million dollars more on the erection of factory buildings.</b>

And this has happened despite the assertion of the ebullient textile industrialists that they will do far better in a textile quota-free world.

While <b>Pakistan’s overall exports rose by only 2.9 per cent </b>in the first quarter of this financial year, <b>Indian exports went up by 37 per cent </b>in the first half of its financial year ending September 30. <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->

Pakistan’s July- September textile exports were for $2.449 billion against $2.73 billion in the first quarter of last year.

Official figures show <b>that export of almost all textile items, except cotton yarn and cotton carded, recorded a negative growth </b>despite the recent support package, fiscal and financial, announced by the government
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Too bad, it will hurt them big time.

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Wish someone gave the same treatment to the charlatans defending the convicted terrorist Afzal.

http://www.rediff.com/news/2006/nov/05sadd...?q=np&file=.htm

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->There was a mixed reaction from Muslims across India on the death sentence awarded on Sunday to Saddam Hussein with some denouncing the verdict terming it as unfair, while others saying the former Iraqi president deserved the punishment.

<b>Shahi Imam of Delhi's Jama Masjid Syed Ahmed Bukhari</b> said the verdict was planned much earlier and was announced by a puppet tribunal of the United States.

"We denounce the verdict which was planned by the invader (the United States). The judgement has been announced by a puppet tribunal of the US," he said.

"Instead of Saddam Hussein, Bush should have been put on trial for his crimes in Iraq where more than seven lakh people have been killed since US-led forces invaded the country," Bukhari said.

A member of the <b>All India Muslim Personal Law Board Qasim Rasool Ilyas</b> termed the trial of the deposed leader as unfair.

"We know he (Hussein) committed crimes against his own people. But, still the trial was not fair. There were many loopholes in the entire process," Ilyas said.

"Under international laws, every person has a right to get a free and fair trial but this has not happened in the case of Saddam Hussein," he said.

Hailing the verdict, <b>All India Shia Personal Law Board president Mirza Mohammad Athar</b> said the deposed leader was an "enemy of humanity" and he deserved the punishment.

Iraq's High Tribunal on Sunday found the former leader guilty of crimes against humanity and sentenced him to death by hanging along with two of his associates.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->