The fundamental mistake that most people make is assuming that
the villain is Pakistan, Iran or Saudi Arabia

As early as 1350, in the hindu kingdom of kerala, with 2% muslims,
per Ibn Batuta, muslims were rioting often

The standard secular discourse is that hindutva is radicalising Indian muslims

If we look at the period 1919-1947, during the presence of Gandhi,
muslims went on numerous riots killing millions of people


In places where muslims have been subjected to great violence such
as in Indian Punjab, muslims are very peaceful

The post independence muslim behavior has been
Let me kill hindus,
kill cows,
molest and abduct hindu women
Change demographics by overbreeding or illegal immigration
convert using saudi funds
Whitewash muslim atrocities
Give in to demands such as article 370, Shah Bano etc

ELSE
will riot

The one new twist is
if hindus retaliate, will get help from Pakistan to set off bomb blasts

The choice they give to hindus is get killed by the local muslim
acting alone ELSE get killed with pakistani help

What this shows is that muslims are very willing to climb the escalation
ladder unless matched with reciprocal escalating violence

Case in point
1992 - muslims riot in Mumbai
Hindus retaliate
Muslims bomb Mumbai

Hindus fail to escalate

This hindu failure to escalate has emboldened muslim bombing all
over India

The correct preferred way against Indian Jihadists is strict law enforcement
However, thanks to vote banks that will not happen

Next at some point frustrated with no law enforcement
a hindu mob forms

The correct target for the mob is the local madrasa, mullah, mosque,
not average muslims

In interrogations with jihadists, it has been discovered that
while they may be willing to die, they are deterred by reprisals against their family
members

Hence in a very crude and clumsy way, post Godhra reprisals
had some deterrent effect

Those hindus who advocate violence need to understand
that if the path of violence is chosen, it has to be followed up all the way a-la 1947 Indian Punjab,
else a few years later with better demographic ratio, muslims will again resort to
violence
If the path of violence is chosen, it is all or nothing

Counter breeding is more effective than counter rioting

Ask why we have maximum jihadi activity in kerala, UP, west bengal, Assam,
all ruled by seculars

whats it about them???

the whole world seems to revolve about them !!
the greatest men on earth are born amongst them!!
few people if any have come so close to TOTAL anhilation so many times and yet have managed to stay alive - and kicking (serious ass too, if i may add).

whats everyone opinion about the "chosen people"??

i cant think of a more remarkable set of peopel on the planet - and yet - the biggest blunder in all history is what the more astute members of this forum describe as "the original abrahamic mistake" or similar.

so i ask .... whats it about them?

The President of India , Dr A.P.J. Abdul Kalam is currently on a State Visit of Mynmar. The first ever such visit by any Indian President.On the second day of his visit, three MOU's were signed between the two countires. ALL INDIA RADIO reports
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Taking bilateral cooperation to a higher plane, India and Myanmar today signed three agreements in petroleum, space and education sectors. These agreements were signed in presence of President A P J Abdul Kalam and Chairman of the State Peace and Development Council Senior General Than Shwe in Yangoon. The Memorandum of Understanding on Cooperation in Petroleum Sector pertains to transport of natural gas from Arakan port of Myanmar either through a pipeline Via North East or Bangladesh. India has been pressing to build a pipeline from Myanmar through Bangladesh to meet a yawning energy supply gap. The MoU was signed by Joint Secretary in the Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Gas Prabhu Das and Director-General of Energy Planning Department of the Ministry of Energy of Myanmar. Another MoU on cooperation in Buddhist studies was inked by Foreign Secretary Shyam Saran and Brig General Thura Aung Ko, Deputy Minister for Religious Affairs, Myanmar. A Framework Agreement on mutual cooperation in the field of Remote Sensing was concluded for setting up of a ground station in Myanmar. The station will receive remote sensing data from IRS satellite for various uses including agriculture purposes like survey of soil and minerals. our correspondent reports that the relations between Myanmar and India began warming up rapidly since late 1990s as part of New Delhi's Look east policy. In a bid to increase trade relations New Delhi is also considering a proposal for setting up a rail link with Myanmar through the North-Eastern states.

Meanwhile, President Dr. APJ Abdul Kalam today had a one to one meeting with the Head of the State of Myanmar, Sr. General Than Shwe. The two leaders also witnessed the signing of three Memoranda of Understanding. One of these was on Mutual Cooperation in Remote Sensing signed by Foreign Secretary, Mr. Shyam Saran and Myanmar's Deputy Minister for Foreign Affairs, Mr. U. Kyant Thu. Another was on Cooperation in both these studies signed by Mr. Shayam Saran and Brigadier General Thura Aung Co. And the third was on Cooperation in Petroleum and Natural Gas sector. On behalf of India, it was signed by Joint Secretary of the concerned Ministry Mr. Prabh Das and on behalf of Myanmar, Director General of Energy Planning, U. Soe Myint. Our correspondent covering the President's visit adds that Dr. Kalam could also find time to visit the country's biggest Pagoda.

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Out of these the one on Natural Gas and Petrolium Sector is the most important as it can pave the way for getting some of India's energy needs from Mynmar.

Twin blasts rock Varanasi, many feared killed


VARANASI: Blasts rocked the Varanasi railway station and the city's Sankatmochan temple complex on Tuesday evening.

At least four people were killed and several others injured.





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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Yesterday was the Vijaydivas for Hindus!
Common Hindus were able to defeat Indian communist and German Fascist forces.
Witzel and Romila are not only lying but they are biggest fraud. I was present in every hearing. CDE have already accepted 85% of changes.

Indiatruth.org is organization started by people (FOSA + CAC) (communist group of India and Pakistan) who carried placard showing "Allah will destroy the terrorist State of India" during Kargil war.
Yesterday’s meeting Witzel's assistance Steve Farmer quoted “he is Atheist”. But his thesis is full of reference to Bible. Steve Farmer said that he does not believe in Aryan Invasion or Aryan Migration theory. All who says have no knowledge what so ever which includes Witzel and Romilla Thappar both of them are promoting her and his nonsense theory.
Yesterday’s meeting Witzel paraded Sikh Dalit (Khalistani). On one side they say Dalit is Hinduism problem and now Witzel is parading Dalit. And these Sikh Dalit claims that they are eating "Dead Animals" for last thousand years. They are cleaning toilets in India and also in USA. If its Sikhism problem they should add in Sikhism lesson in text book.,
They even parade Muslims and Christians against Hindus.

One of the FOSA member started abusing common Hindus and he was forced to remove from room by security people.

Why German Fundamentalist Christian Witzel and communist Romilla Thappar celebrating? They should check changes. Its shame they are lying. Common Hindus were able to defeat communist and Fascist forces.

COngrats every single Hindu parents and Hindus. United we can defeat these Christian Fascist and Communist forces.
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Muslims urged to examine the timing of cartoons

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"Destruction of the shrine in Samarra wrongly attributed to Sunni extremists"



OUTCRY: Muslims demonstrate at Thousand Lights mosque in Chennai on Monday, against the publication of cartoons in the Western media. — Photo: S.R. Raghunathan

CHENNAI: Muslims should examine the timing of and possible motivation for publishing the cartoons on the Prophet Mohammed in the western media, Ghulam Mohammed Mehdi Khan, Chief Shia Khazi, said on Monday. He noted that the recent violent reaction against the insulting cartoons might have caused concern.

While Muslims should show restraint, "it is also necessary to examine the timing of and possible motivation for these cartoons. Using pretended freedom of speech and Press, some western media are taking advantage of the demonisation of Islam, to insult the Holy Prophet... and provoke extremist violence to reinforce the image of fanatical Muslims," he said after a protest by Muslims held at the Thousand Lights mosque. The destruction of the sacred shrine in Samarra in Iraq was also wrongly attributed to Iraqi Sunni extremists, threatening to inflame violence, a release from Imam-e-Jummah quoting the Chief Khazi said.

Western countries could learn from India and particularly Tamil Nadu, where there was respect for all religions, the statement said. Hundreds of Muslims participated in the protest and raised slogans raised against the visit of American President George W. Bush.

<i><b>This year's Railway budget has many unique features including the reduction of fare in the upper classes and starting of a number of new trains plus speeding up many of the existing trains. In keeping with the demands of the growing economy, there was also announcement about a new freight corridor from Ludhiana in Punjab to Sonenagar in Bihar. Understandably, this has created some noise in Parliament as Left felt that the corridor should have been up to Collate. It is obviously more for political reasons rather than for practical reasons. Let us hope that the new measures will bring better revenue to the Railways and better facilities to the consumers.</b></i>

Kingsley pledges to help raise funds for quake victims


21/02/2006 - 17:59:27 British actor Ben Kingsley today promised to help raise funds to assist victims of a powerful earthquake in Pakistan last year that killed about 87,000 people and left millions homeless.

British actor Ben Kingsley today promised to help raise funds to assist victims of a powerful earthquake in Pakistan last year that killed about 87,000 people and left millions homeless.

Kingsley, on a visit to Pakistan, praised efforts by the Pakistani government to handle the aftermath of the magnitude-7.6 quake on October 8, which flattened entire villages in Pakistan’s portion of Kashmir and surrounding areas.

Kingsley met with Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz in Islamabad, the prime minister’s press office said in a statement.

Aziz said Kingsley’s visit to the quake zone would help draw the attention of the world community to the continuing need for assistance in rehabilitating and rebuilding quake-hit areas, the statement said.

“Sir Ben assured the prim minister that he would join the Pakistan government’s efforts to raise more funds for the (quake) victims,” it said.

The statement did not say whether Kingsley had already visited the quake zone or would travel there soon. Officials at Aziz’s press office were not available for comment.

Kingsley, 62, has won many awards for his acting, including the best actor Academy Award for his role in the 1980 movie Gandhi.

He received a knighthood in 2002.

<b>Hindu Rashtra? Propositions & Reality</b>

Many Hindu organizations have been labeled as fascists, communal, enemies of a democratic framework and so on. In many circles, the very word RSS or BJP are used as derogatory epithets and the discussion ends there even before it starts. Yet, no one seems to answer the question, what is a Hindu Rashtra? What will be its constitution like? What will be its governance model? There are several books, papers and institutions, which espouse the cause of a Hindu Nation. Few delve into, what would be a Hindu state.

The concept of a Hindu Nation seems to rest upon key precepts such as the promotion of Sanskrit as the national language of India, teaching of Dharmic precepts in our schools, the abolition of constitutional discrimination against the Hindus, fight against violence prone mono theistic religions, Hinduism to be treated on par with Nationalism in India, re-writing of Indian history from an Indian view point, correcting the negative role played by our left leaning media against Hindu causes, re-define secularism to be equi-distant but not opposed to religion, the need for an intellectual Kshatriya and in general the ability to practice a way of life in all domains of the Indian social and political spectrum openly, consistent with Dharmic principles.

While there are many such Hindu/Dharmic issues espoused by forces sympathetic to Hindu concepts of Nation hood, the further application of these concepts to a governance model for the state based on Hinduism seems to be elusive. It is unclear as to what are the key precepts of its constitution and governance bodies? Will it rest upon institutions such as a parliament, executive and judiciary? Will the state be a Hindu state or it will it be equi distant to all faiths? Will there be a place for one man, one vote? Will it have equality before the law as its guiding principle? There are many such questions, which come to mind, where we need clarity on what is a Hindu Rashtra?

Is the concept of a Hindu Rashtra limited to a Hindu Nation or does it go beyond to define the concept of the hindu state. Is it satisfied with correcting the imbalance in the current Indian polity or does it seek to completely redefine Indian polity in Hindu colors. The governance models of kingdom states of India under Hindus, were largely based on a Monarchy with local governance bodies such as the Panchayat. It is not known, which part of the vast history of Indian states the Hindu Rashtra is depending upon to define a future vision. Some think there is no such thing as a Hindu state and is a red herring.

Hopefully participants of this forum can throw some light and provide clarity to these rather vexed questions.