<b>10 killed in Mumbai terror attack</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Mumbai was rocked by several incidents of firing at four different public places on Wednesday night, and ten people were reportedly killed in the suspected terror attacks. All incidents were within a radius of three kms in the posh South Mumbai.

The first incident of firing was reported at Leopold Cafe, a well-known watering hole for tourists and foreigners in Colaba.

The second incident was near Taj Mahal [Images] hotel, the third was near Oberoi hotel in Nariman Point and the fourth one was at Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus railway station. Two of them are Mumbai's iconic and best-known five-star hotels and the third is one of the busiest railway stations in the city.

No one including the police will confirm the reason behind the firing except the fact that some unknown people started firing indiscriminately.

Eyewitness also said that some grenades were thrown at a police van and also of two bomb blasts near the Oberoi hotel but it was not confirmed by officials. The Mumbai police have cordoned off all the areas.

A blast was also reported in a cab in Vile Parle in suburban Mumbai. This is near the Mumbai airport.

Additional Commissioner of Police Deven Bharti confirmed the shootout at Colaba but did not give out details.

Two persons armed with automatic weapons and hand grenades are reportedly holed up inside CST station.

Sounds of gunshots are still being heard. Hundreds of onlookers gathered outside the station. The station and premises have been evacuated

Sources in the Cuffe Parade police station said that the police was still looking for the miscreants behind the firing at Colaba Causeway.

Eyewitnesses said that they heard at least 20 shots in CST station. Policemen and ambulances have rushed to the affected areas, they said.
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Maharashtra Director General of Police <b>A N Roy said </b>that this was a suspected terror attack. "The terrorists have been surrounded in Oberoi Hotel. Right now, the encounter is going on," he said.
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Now lets see whom Indian Government will blame, come on Shame of India, you can do better. Hindu hater Roy is investigating , he can blame some Sadhu from Gangotri.

Hello frineds

I started this thread before, but couln't find it after a couple of good responses. Hence I am re-initiating this interesting thread about your experiences in indian airports and opinions on security that exists in ground and air. Do you think the system is capable of ensuring seamless security? Please write the various experiences that you have undergone at indian and other airpots abroad. It could be a good lesson for lot of others.

The History of Western Philosophy-Bertrand Russel

History of Western Philosophy

http://www.scribd.com/doc/3054580/The-Hist...Bertrand-Russel

The Catholic Church was derived from three sources. Its sacred history was Jewish, its theology
was Greek, its government and canon law were, at least indirectly, Roman. The Reformation
rejected the Roman elements, softened the Greek elements, and greatly strengthened the Judaic
elements. It thus co-operated with the nationalist forces which were undoing the work of social
cohesion which had been effected first by the Roman Empire and then by the Roman Church. In
Catholic doctrine, divine revelation did not end with the scriptures, but continued from age to age
through the medium of the Church, to which, therefore, it was the duty of the individual to submit
his private opinions. Protestants, on the contrary, rejected the Church as a vehicle of revelation;
truth was to be sought only in the Bible, which each man could interpret for himself. If men
differed in their interpretation, there was no divinely appointed authority to decide the dispute. In
practice, the State claimed the right that had formerly belonged to the Church, but this was a
usurpation. In Protestant theory, there should be no earthly intermediary between the soul and
God.


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Betrand Russell was an eugenist:
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"The ideas of eugenics are based on the assumption that men are unequal, while democracy is based on the assumption that they are equal. It is therefore, politically very difficult to carry out eugenic ideas in a democratic community when those ideas take the form, not of suggesting that there is a minority of inferior people, such as imbeciles, but of admitting that there is a minority of superior people. The former is pleasing to the majority, the latter unpleasing. Measures embodying the former fact can therefore win the support of the majority, while measures embodying the latter cannot." ( from The Sanctity of Life and the Criminal Law)</b>

These are the words of Bertrand Russell, who is being quoted by Professor Glanville Williams. Williams is the Rous Ball Professor of English law at Cambridge University, a fellow of the English Eugenics Society, and, for the last twenty three years, head of the English Abortion Law Reform Association. What Williams is saying is that the elitist ideas of eugenics can come to power in democracies by encouraging attacks on minorities, much as Hitler came to power by scapegoating the Jews.

...
It's time to debunk the myth of this "grand philosopher"
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Check the comment section
http://www.dailytech.com/Indian+Moon+Probe...rticle13450.htm


<b> Indian Moon Probe Hits Moon Surface at 3,100 MPH</b>
Shane McGlaun (Blog) - November 17, 2008 2:35 PM Smilin.. on Nov 18 at 9:49 AM )

Indian scientists say they meant to do that and hope for a future "soft" landing

Going to the moon is old news to most Americans after we sent a manned mission to Earth's satellite in the 1960's. Since then, several other countries have sent unmanned missions to the moon to study the satellite, but no one has yet replicated America's manned landing.

India has now joined the small cadre of nations to send unmanned missions to the moon including the U.S., China, Russia, ESA, and Japan. India launched its moon mission in October sending its spacecraft called Chandrayaan-1 towards the moon with a lunar probe onboard.

The probe was sent hurtling towards the surface of the moon to an eventual crash landing in the Shackleton crater on the moon's south pole. The lander was emblazoned with the Indian flag and hit the surface of the moon moving at about 3,100 miles per hour.

Indian scientists say that the crash was planned and that they will use the data collected by the probe during its descent to plan a future soft landing on the moon. The descent to the surface took 25-minutes according to Space.com. Instruments on the probe included a video imaging system, radar altimeter and a mass spectrometer.

The video system took pictures of the moon during the decent while the altimeter measured the rate of decent and the mass spectrometer studied the thin atmosphere on the moon. India released some raw images taken and said that it had not yet begun to analyze the data returned by the probe. India has plans to land a rover on the moon in 2011 and hopes to one day send a manned mission.


Check this bozo

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/81702

Many studies of the past have confirmed that India lacks a Higher Defence Organisation that compares to the advanced countries. All debates start and end at CDS. Can CDS be the solution for all ills? Is there a need to completely revamp the system? Has the status and decision making of service chiefs been systematically degraded? How effective is the NSC? ACM Typnis in his book has confessed that there was none-to turn to, during Kargil crisis. Politicians hardly understand the military business. Bureaucrats have very limited exposure to the realities. How do you think the country should go on from here to deal with the issue?

While we await the election results I wish to remember GWB for the following:

The prompt invasion of Afghanistan and dislodging the Taleban about two years after IC 814 hijacking.

Recognizing the roots of Islamic terrorism originating from greater Middle East.

Seizing the initative in Middle East by his Iraq invasion. Yes aftermath was mixed.

Recognizing the need to bring India back into the gamut of nations to balance Asian stablity.

Lastly for proposing and seeing through the nuke deal wich returned India to the high table.

The biggest failing was not understanding TSP is the linch pin of modern Islamic Sunni terrorism-Listenting to Colin Bin Powell.

The next is not pre-empting the Wall Street collapse - Listening to Paulson.

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Happy Deepavali to all.

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Appeal to overthrow proposed ban on Sanatan Sanstha

Posted by: "Bhavna Shinde"
Fri Oct 24, 2008 2:40 pm (PDT)
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*llSreell*

Namaskar.

There is a ban being proposed on Sanatan Sanstha by some politically driven
groups in Bhaarat (India). We appeal to you for help in overthrowing this
unjust proposal, by spreading this awareness drive and by writing to the
relevant authorities here: www.sanatan.org/en/08/index.html. At this link
you can read about the (flimsy) background of the proposed ban.

To learn more about Sanatan Sanstha, please read on…

*Who we **are ***

Sanatan Sanstha is a Charitable Trust based in India. For the last 17 years,
Sanatan Sanstha is engaged in spreading the Science of Spirituality for the
benefit of mankind. The primary objective of the Sanstha is to acquaint the
curious about Spirituality in a scientific manner and guide them to
undertake spiritual practice according to their respective religious
precepts, to make progress towards God-realization. In the process, Sanatan
Sanstha aims to create awareness about the role each one of us has in
bringing about communal harmony and building a healthy society to usher in a
"Raam-raajya" like just, divine era wherein society flourishes spiritually
and materially.

* *

*A word about our Growth***

From a handful of seekers (that is, volunteers practicing Spirituality for
God-realization) and centers in Maharashtra at the time of inception in 1990,
by Guru's Grace, Sanatan Sanstha now has over a thousand full-time seekers,
staying in 6 Ashrams located in various parts of Bhaarat (India) and
thousands more linked to over 2000 centers in Bhaarat and overseas.

* *

*Life at Sanatan's Ashrams and centers***

Sanatan Sanstha's ashrams and centers are centers for learning Spirituality
and Dharma, and examples of how to lead a spiritual life at an individual
level and in society, even in the current era of conflict and stress.

On the background of the recent allegations about Sanatan Sanstha, a report
from Hindustan Times on the simple life at Sanatan's ashram in Panvel, near
Mumbai: www.hindujagruti.org/news/4919.html

* *

*A glimpse into our activities** *

Sanatan Sanstha's ashrams and centers are a source of inspiration and
spiritual guidance, as people from surrounding areas feel the support of
Sanatan Sanstha's seekers in any event, be it eradicating malpractices from
public celebrations of Hindu festivals, or providing basic necessities
during floods, or helping the local police with crowd control at Hindu Holy
places during major festivals.

Sanatan Sanstha's ongoing scientific research in Spirituality continues to
benefit humanity to overcome problems with a spiritual root cause, and has
inspired many a spiritual organization in Bhaarat and abroad, like
www.SpiritualResearchFoundation.org<http://www.spiritualresearchfoundation.org/>,
to liaise with Sanatan Sanstha.

Sanatan Sanstha also has a group of newspapers, run entirely by seekers,
often bearing financial losses, solely to provide spiritual guidance to
society and preserve Dharma (Righteousness) in the context of current
events, for the development of a spiritual, Dharma-based nation, to lead
all-round progress of humanity at large.

Read more here about Sanatan Sanstha's free medical camps, training in
Disaster Management, Moral Value classes for Children, lectures on Stress
Management and Satsangs on Spirituality and over 2.5 million copies
published of 100 Spiritual Texts in 12 languages:
www.Sanatan.org<http://www.sanatan.org/>

* *

*An appeal***

Such a selfless organization is being made a victim of vote-bank politics,
with a ban proposed! We will appreciate your support and participation in
our activities, and look forward to your participating in and spreading this
awareness drive.

"Sanghe shakti kalauyuge!" ("In this current era of strife, strenght lies in
unity!")

Regards,

Bhavna Shinde

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Sri Anantha Padmanabha Subramanya temple Manoor, Neemarga, Mangalore, India ( visit : www.ananthapadmanabhasubramanya.com) is an ancient, historical and regional temple for the Mangalore region which is considered to be very powerful sacred place which is now in a decayed condition.

We are happy to say that the renovation of temple is started with the help of honorable devotees of Mangalore and surrounding places. It is estimated that the cost for renovation is more than one crore rupees. To achieve this sacred great task the cooperation of devotees from far and wide is must. To know more about this temple kindly visit our temple website.

www.ananthapadmanabhasubramanya.com
email: manoortemple@yahoo.com

Some of us, mostly from Bharat Rakshak Forum and and some from this board will be meeting at Central New Jersey this coming Sunday, 19th Oct during lunch time.

If you'd like to join, please send email to <span style='font-family:Times'>munsnanduri at yahoo dot com</span> or <span style='font-family:Times'>amitava at computer dot org</span>

Apologies for the short notice.