There is a bunch of nonsense articles on the dope issue - most of them saying -> if Federer/Nadal/Williams do it then Indian cricketers should too. This one goes a little further. It recognizes that there are pockets in India which are tasting power and the game is changing. Indian writers as usual come out with nonsense -> we have been meek, we were never great and we will never be great and we should do what others do.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2009/08/...9350685939.html

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->WADA, undeniably, is hard work. Its previous president, Dick Pound, was strident and bellicose. The incumbent, Australian John Fahey, is given to silly utterances. For instance, this on the Tour de France: ''I firmly believe, because I want to, that Cadel Evans is, being Australian, completely straight and honest.'' WADA's code is demanding, even harsh, and many have signed up to it only under duress, including Cricket Australia and the AFL, who otherwise stood to lose government funding for development programs.

...

For years, India suffered the superiority complex of others, including Australia. At last in the superior position, instead of rising above history, it is acting in the same objectionable way as its former oppressors. It has it, and is flaunting it. The rest of the cricket world is so in thrall to India that no one dares to say what needs to be said.

But there are indications that its stance is attracting little sympathy in its own country. Former players have lined up to condemn the board for setting itself above the international standard, calling it unprofessional and out of touch. ''BCCI [Board of Control for Cricket in India] is used to arm-twisting a toothless ICC to get what it wants, but this time it might have gone too far,'' said Ashok Malhotra, quoted in The Times of India. ''Why is it always BCCI that has problems?''

<b>The trouble is that Indian cricket is in the grip of a drug, the oldest, most obviously potent and least traceable drug of all. It is called power</b>.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


PS: IMO BCCI is perfectly right in refusing to sign WADA. If for this cricket doesnt get "olympic status" then screw it. Good for them - Olympics will then remain aloof from 1/6th of humanity and thats their bloody choice.

<!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> चंडीगढ, 12 जुलाई। चंडीगढ के सेक्टर-19 के मार्केट में कार के एसी से निकली जहरीली गैस (कार्बनमोनो ऑक्साइड)के कारण एक प्रेमी युगल की मौत हो गई। डीएसपी जेएस चीमा के अनुसार अभी तक की जांच में यही लग रहा है, कि दोनों की मौत एसी के कारण ही हुई है।
हालांकि पोस्टमार्टम रिपोर्ट में कुछ स्पष्ठ नही हो पाया। अब विसरा को केमिकल जांच के लिए भेजा जाएगा। पुलिस ने आत्महत्या की आंशका से इंकार किया है। पुलिस का मानना है कि गौरव राणा ने सेक्टर-19 की मार्केट में कार खडी कर एसी ऑन करके काफी देर तक अलीशा से बातचीत की होगी। इस बीच कार के एसी ने बाहर से फ्रेश हवा खीचनी बंद कर दी। जिससे कार्बन मोनोऑक्साइड गैस कार में फैल गई।

http://www.khaskhabar.com/showstory.php?storyid=4784
min translation:
2 people were in the parked car w/ a/c on. It is suspected that they died of carbon monoxide poisoning due to non sucking of fresh air by a/c.
It's possible if a/c quit working but that's not what they are saying.

from [some personal emails/details edited]
date Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 2:30 AM
subject GDA to gather evidence against Witzel in a historic, first of its kind lawsuit against Witzel, Donziger, Kripal etc.
mailed-by xx.com



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Follow up message
Dear all,

I am pleased to announce that the GDA legal cell has begun collecting
capeem depositions, recent speech in chennai and depositions and
testimonies of credible persons such as Prof. Balagangadhar and Dr.
Kosla Vepa. Any others who are interested in testifying either based on
academic credentials or direct knowledge, pls email us. We will be
able to move forward on this quickly.

Additionally, it appears that certain ISI sponsored sites in Texas
appear to be working covertly to use the cover of empowering Dalits
and with money influence on certain politicians appear to be the real
reason to push the reservation quota.

We will look to additional evidence to book Witzel and his
conspirators along w those politicians using dalit support to cover
criminal proselytization and sacrilege with appearance of being pro
Dalit. In reality, it appears these ISI supported activities may be
found to substantially anti national and may be covered by the NSA.

Thank you for spreading GDA,s call for evidence and testimonies.

<b>Shocking picture of Lord Ganesh in Beer Bottle.</b>

<img src='http://www.greatandhra.com/newsimages/lordganesh1246020739.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

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Address info of Lost Coast Beers.

http://www.lostcoast.com/contact.html



India forum members,

Pl file a case against this idiots.

<!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> For the Congress-NCP alliance in Maharashtra, which will have to deal with the perils of incumbency, poor rains will add to its woes. In Jharkhand as well Congress will be at an disadvantage as BJP can be expected to stress on the fact that President’s Rule, which places the state under the control of the Centre, is nothing more than a period of Congress rule.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/P...how/4694546.cms

For Hindutva to revive, it is important for its true sympathizers to expose all the ideological fraud that is going on at the hands of the claimants of the so called Hindutva.

This thread proposes to collect all information that takes a hard look at the pseudo-Hindutva that went on and goes on today...

To begin with, one must read these two hard hitting works back to back:

BJP vis-a-vis Hindu Resurgence
Koenraad Elst

Time for Stock Taking - Whither Sangh Parivar?
Compiled and Edited by Sita Ram Goel

Thread started based on comments by Ravish in 'Advice to BJP' thread. Ravish and others interested can contribute here.

Given that Congress has been in power for some 50+ years out of 60 since independence and the first family been in power for about the same number of years, it'll be a worthwhile effort to list their achievements and contributions to India.

Timeline of all the instances of the silent (silenced) islamic genocide of Hindus

All the islamic terrorist attack ambushes that don't make it into the christomedia because only Hindus got killed. Often these tend to be the terrorist attacks that didn't affect any seculars and/or didn't involve explosions. Hence it is stuff they deliberately won't show on the news, including international news.

Good if the date can be formatted as dd/mm/yy and give as many links as can be used to reconstruct the original situation in as complete a view as possible.
Can be summarised later.


<b>Dates of the attack:</b> 3 Jan 2002 and 2 May 2003
<b>Location:</b> Marad/Maradu, Kozhikode in Kerala.

The number murdered/dead: 10 in total. (Two on Jan 02, eight on May 03)
(Number injured: none, as all were murdered.)

<b>A brief synopsis of the event:</b>
http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2008/03/hel...urdered-in.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->note in particular 24-33, the victims in maraad when a group of armed mohammedans ambushed them on a beach where they were relaxing. these were fishermen, presumably scheduled caste. but nobody is bothered about their rights. everyone is worried that the mohammedans have not been able to come back and occupy their houses among hindus. yes, these were people who had known about the coming massacre and had strategically left the area en masse quietly a day before; and from whose mosques blood-stained swords were found; note that mohammedan women had formed a cordon around the mosques to prevent police from going in. so the mohammedan females are active collaborators in jihad.

24.T Kunjumon Marad- Kozhikode-3 Jan 02

25.T Shimjith Marad - Kozhikode -3 Jan 02

26.AP Dasan Marad- Kozhikode -2 May 03

27.P Gopalan Marad- Kozhikode -2May 03

28 A Krishnan Marad- Kozhikode -2May 03

29.C Madhavan Marad- Kozhikode -2 May 03

30. C Chandran Marad- Kozhikode -2 May 03

31.T Santhosh Marad- Kozhikode -2 May 03

32.T preji Marad- Kozhikode -2 May 03

33.T Pushaparaj-Marad- Kozhikode -2 May 03
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Islami men and women committed premeditated murder on Hindu fishermen with their ever-vile swords hidden in their ever-vile mosques.

<b>Online links:</b>
- http://www.haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx...eID=5857&SKIN=C
"WE PAID OUR LIFE TO UPHOLD SANATHANA DHARMA, PLEASE HELP OUR FAMILY MEMBERS"
(both of which also list acts of mass murder by the faithful communits next to this faithful islamic act of mass murder.)
- http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2008/03/hel...urdered-in.html

Discussion on European languages
and ancient European History

^ All converts at the bottom of the christian societal rung tend to *want* to revolt but still do so from within christianism (this is symptomatic of the christian abuse against the human mind: abuse victim makes excuses for abuser, blames itself). See African churches in America. Less obvious is the example of Philipinos - who know all about European christian imperialism and what it did to who they were - but still they are christian. See Rwandans.
At best converts osmose from christianism into islamism, into christianism (Algeria) into islamism, into... etc.

http://www.vijayvaani.com/FrmPublicDisplay...cle.aspx?id=634
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Inculturation: Fooling the Hindu Masses</b>     
Nithin Sridhar
15 Jun 2009

<b>Early in 1982, Father Joseph Parekatil of the Catholic Church of Parasahi, Madhya Pradesh, destroyed the sacred murti of Goddess Visveshwari Siddheswari, enshrined on the nearby Nawain Tekdi hill, and erected a small wooden cross.</b> Later, on 18 February 1983, a 31-foot high concrete cross was illegally erected on the hill. A month later, enraged villagers destroyed the cross.

On 20 February 1985, intent on regaining possession of the hill, Father Parekatil put on the orange robes of a Hindu sannyasin, built a hut on the hill, sat on a tiger skin and began performing worship in the Hindu style. As a result, thousands of simple Hindus came to the hill on Fridays, unaware of the deception going on before their eyes.

On 18 May, a complaint was registered, but to no avail. Again there was agitation in the area, and this time, on 1 October 1985, the villagers tore down the priest’s hut and tossed away the remaining pieces of the concrete cross. Father Parekatil gave up only when he was arrested a week later for breach of peace (1).

Father Parekatil’s tactic of adopting Hindu symbols to further his missionary goals is known as “inculturation” or “indigenization.” Swami Jayendra Saraswati, Sankaracharya of Kanchi Matham, made a valid point at the “Interfaith Dialogue” with Cardinal Jean-Louis Pierre Tauran, president of the Vatican’s Pontifical Council for Inter-religious Dialogue, and others,  in Mumbai on 12 July 2009.

[...]
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Rest at link.


About the last paragraph:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Under such situation, no inter-faith interactions will bring any fruits unless the “church” mends its ways. As the Kanchi Perivaar rightly affirms: “After such inter-faith meetings, the points agreed have to be faithfully abided. Otherwise the will be no point in holding such meetings. Unless the Church reassures Hindus that it will not conduct itself in a manner that wounds Hindu sensibilities and follows up on those assurances, such inter-faith meetings, no matter how frequently they are held, will be futile and will not serve any meaningful cause.”<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Swami is too goodytwoshoes (this is not an accusation). He's a Swamy and as such does not want to spread ill-will.

But Hindus may make a more complete stand.
<i>No</i> agreements.
There can never be any compromise or acceptance to coexist with christianism. It will forever plot the demise of all others - this is an integral characteristic of the mindvirus. Also, it has the blood of countless millions on its hands and will still lust after the blood of the remaining. If Hindus choose to coexist with christianism to whatever degree and for whatever reasons (for the sake of 'national integrity' for instance), then they are willing to accept that serial mass-genocides are forgiveable and that it's okay for christianism to have brutally murdered out Greco-Roman Religio and other European Natural Traditions, to have mercilessly crushed most of African spirituality and right to liberty, and to have bloodily genocided Native Americans. That it's okay what christianism has done and is doing to our Hindus and what it has been doing to Asia.
With such 'forgiveness' of what christianism has done to others in the world, one may at least be equally forgiving of what christianism still wants to do to Hindus, Hindu Dharma and Bharatam. Not hypocrites, right. Can stop complaining then altogether, since how are our present complaints (against the aggressiveness and murderous violence of 'the missionaries' and 'the church' - i.e. christianism) any more valid than the protestations aginst the violations of the rights of other victims of christianism?

There's no associating and no coexisting with the genocidal meme; allowing it to remain in our world without resistance is to accept its guilt and becomes part of national Karma (if there is such a thing). It should be universally and completely ostracised, from Hindu society and from Hindu minds. Any less would imply that one thinks it is possible for people to live with a bit of the enemy in their midst, that leaving a bit of a forest-fire to burn on is sensible.