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  Pak cricket players
Posted by: rcscwc - 03-11-2010, 06:35 AM - Forum: Trash Can - Replies (1)

Pak cricket has been rocked by bans and fines and scandals. These men sold their country down the drain, en block. Whole team is unreliable, all players are unreliable.

If they could sell their country, can they be expected to be loyal to IPL? NO.

  Woman Reservation Bill
Posted by: Capt M Kumar - 03-10-2010, 09:05 AM - Forum: Newshopper - Discuss recent news - Replies (13)

Mob politics reached Rajya Sabha as this bill passed it and here is what it may bring in it's passage thru Lok Sabha:

Congress on its part may have to live with the fact that desertion by SP and RJD as UPA supporters will mean a loss of 26 MPs. It will bring it close to the majority mark and leave it groping for free-floating individuals like Jaya Prada, Jaswant Singh, Digvijay Singh, small parties like JD(S) and its own allies like Trinamool Congress.

The party brass seems to have taken a decision that it can indulge in counter brinkmanship with allies who too need Congress in view of crucial battles in Bengal and Tamil Nadu.

Though survival may not be a real threat, it does leave the ruling benches with the task of managing numbers ahead of every crucial bill, particularly those relating to finance.


  Singapore denounces pastor for ridiculing Buddhists
Posted by: rcscwc - 03-07-2010, 03:15 PM - Forum: Trash Can - No Replies

[center]Singapore denounces pastor for ridiculing Buddhists

Posted March 6, 2010

Feb 9,2010


[url="http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE6180MY20100209"][color="#576389"]Source Link[/color][/url]

[/center]SINGAPORE (Reuters Life!) - Singapore has warned a Christian pastor that his online videos are offensive to Buddhists and Taoists, underlining the city-state's concerns that religion is a potential faultline for its multicultural society.

Pastor Rony Tan, of Lighthouse Evangelism, apologized and pulled the video clips off the internet after being visited by the government's Internal Security Department on Monday, the pastor and the government said on their websites.

The Ministry of Home Affairs said in a statement on Tuesday Tan's comments were "highly inappropriate and unacceptable," and could "give rise to tension and conflict between the Buddhist/Taoist and Christian communities."

The clips are no longer available online, but the Straits Times said they involved ridiculing beliefs, including Buddhist concepts of rebirth, karma and nirvana, drawing laughter from Tan's audience.

Singpore's move comes after rising religious tensions in neighboring Malaysia, where churches and mosques have been hit by arson and vandalism in recent weeks amid a row over the use of the word "Allah" by Christians.

Singapore last week arrested three youths aged between 17 and 18 for posting remarks on Facebook that have been deemed to be racist, local media reported.

They are likely to be charged under the Sedition Act, under which anyone found guilty of promoting feelings of ill will or hostility against other races or religions faces fines of up to S$5,000 ($3,520) as well as the possibility of being jailed for up to three years.

Singapore, which saw deadly racial riots in the 1950s and 1960s, is a base for many multinational companies which value its stability, infrastructure and proximity to fast-growing Asian markets.

Buddhists and Taoists account for half of Singapore's nearly 5 million population. Muslims and Christians account for 15 percent each.

Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong said in a speech last August that religious and racial tensions were the country's biggest potential social faultlines.

(Reporting by Nopporn Wong-Anan; Editing by Neil Chatterjee)

  Doniger's book - demand withdrawal
Posted by: Guest - 03-06-2010, 01:37 AM - Forum: Indian Culture - Replies (14)

You must have heard the phrase about Indologists love for Hindus/India is akin to pedophile's love for children.

Wendy Doniger's epitomizes that and much more.

[url="http://www.dailypioneer.com/239869/Online-campaign-seeks-ban-on-Doniger%E2%80%99s-book-on-Hindu-history.html"]Pioneer article[/url]

Quote:Online campaign seeks ban on Doniger’s book on Hindu history

PNS | New Delhi

An online campaign has been launched to demand the withdrawal of Wendy Doniger’s book, ‘Hindus: An Alternative History’ on the grounds that the book was “rife with numerous errors..perhaps intended to mislead students of Indian and Hindu history”.

The petitioners have asked the publishers to apologise for the publication of the “factually incorrect and offensive book”.

They further added, “The Hindus: An Alternative History is rife with numerous errors in its historical facts and Sanskrit translations. These errors and misrepresentations are bound and perhaps intended to mislead students of Indian and Hindu history.”

The petitioners claimed that Doniger had analysed the “revered Hindu Gods and Goddesses using her widely discredited psychosexual Freudian theories that modern, humanistic psychology has deemed limiting. These interpretations are presented as hard facts and not as speculations.”

Doniger, according to them, has made various faulty assumptions about the tradition in order to arrive ‘at her particular spin’. In the process, the beliefs, traditions and interpretations of practising Hindus were simply ignored or bypassed without the unsuspecting reader knowing this to be the case, they said.

The petitioners have charged that the book was “clumsily written, each chapter is a shocking and appalling series of anecdotes which denigrate, distort and misrepresent Hinduism and the history of India and Hindus. Doniger uses selective quotations from obscure and non-original, peripheral and ignorant references with a bizarre emphasis on sexuality and eroticism.”

They have taken umbrage to a reference where, in their view the author says that in Rigveda 10.62, it is implied that a woman may find her own brother in her bed! “The hymn has no such suggestion. It is offensive to suggest that the sacred text of Hindus has kinky sex in it,” they said.

The petition draws attention to a comparison made in the book, likening the Vedic devotee worshipping different Vedic deities with a lying and a philandering boyfriend cheating on his girlfriend(s). “It ignores the fact that in the Rigveda, the Gods are said to be all united, born of one another, and from the same source,” the petitioners pointed out.

The online petitioners have also strongly objected to the comments supposedly taken from an epic that “Dasharatha’s son is certainly ‘lustful’... Rama knows all too well what people said about Dasharatha; when Lakshmana learns that Rama has been exiled, he says, “The king is perverse, old, and addicted to sex, driven by lust.” While contesting the observation, the petition said, “The highly acclaimed and critical edition of Valmiki’s Ramayana records no such statement attributed to Lakshmana. An imagined phrase, ‘kama-sakta’ is mistranslated as ‘addicted to sex’ by the author whereas it normally means ‘filled with desires’. Valmiki uses a phrase ‘samani-madhah’ (trans. Possessed of passion).

The petitioners have listed out several other instances of ‘facutal errors’ and ‘insulting’ accounts of ancient Hindu history in demanding a withdrawal of the book.

BJD MP demands book withdrawal

The controversy over the contents of author Wendy Doniger’s book, ‘The Hindus: An Alternative History’ found an echo in the Lok Sabha on Thursday. BJD member Bhartruhari Mahtab demanded during Zero Hour the withdrawal of the book by its publishers.

Mahtab said the Government should press upon the publishers, Penguin, to withdraw the book. The contents were in bad taste, he claimed, adding that it showed Hindu Gods in poor light. He urged the Central Government to ban the book from circulating in the country and avoid communal tensions. Mahtab also asked the Government to alert the enforcement agencies for prevention of entry/import of the book from other countries.

  EVMs and Indian Laws
Posted by: ajay jagga - 02-26-2010, 06:37 PM - Forum: Trash Can - No Replies

‘EVMs illegally being used for a decade’- AJAY JAGGA, Lawyer-India

Sanjay Sharma, TNN, Feb 22, 2010, 03.44am IST

CHANDIGARH: The electronic voting machines (EVMs) are being used in violation of the Information Technology Act 2000, a research paper has revealed.

Author of the research paper, advocate Ajay Jagga, told The Times of India, on Sunday that as per IT Act, 2000, a verifiable audit trail has to be provided in case of any electronic record, which is now admissible as evidence as per Evidence Act but in case of electronic voting, the voter does not get any receipt with regard to his voting.

The research paper recently attracted the attention of experts when a conference on “EVMs: How trustworthy?” in Chennai passed a unanimous resolution on February 13 asking Jagga to approach the Election Commission of India (ECI) for bringing the electronic voting procedure in tune with IT Act, 2000.

Jagga said he would soon approach ECI seeking formation of legal committee to remove the illegality or will knock the doors of court.

The lawyer said, “Unless the voter gets a receipt like the one we get in ATM or after the use of debit or credit cards, all electronic transactions including a vote, are illegal.” What is the evidence that the vote cast has really been recorded and that it has been recorded in the manner the voter intended, he asked.

For the purpose and to protect the secrecy of ballot, all such receipts, after the voter has checked his transaction, should be put in a box which should remain with ECI to be produced as evidence in case of a dispute, he said. The government amended the relevant laws in 1989 to equate EVM with ballot and ballot box to facilitate transition from ballot paper to EVM but the IT Act 2000 created a new complication that has to be immediately resolved in the interest of fairness of things, Jagga pointed out.

The lawyer also proved that the machine can be tampered with which has been accepted by the government itself in its letter to withdraw patent applications filed by Electronics Corporation of India and Bharat Electronics Ltd, makers of the machine. The PSUs withdrew their patent applications on the ground that the machine may not be tamper-proof, he said, adding that America and Germany had to return to ballot paper after their machines were found wanting.


Linked on USA Today 23 Feb. 2010 http://content.usatoday.com/topics/artic...kBeFJ47y/1

  Budget 2010
Posted by: ajay jagga - 02-26-2010, 06:32 PM - Forum: Trash Can - No Replies

The inflationary budget presented by the Finance Minister has rocked and shocked the nation, as with the immediate hike in fuel prices is certainly going to put fuel on the fire and will have a cascading effect on prices of almost all goods as transportation costs will rise. The backlash of the “aam aadmi” is inevitable. The FM has widened the tax slabs, but has not enhanced the exempted limit of Rs. 1.6 lac, which will effect only those, whose income is above Rs. 3 pac per annum, but overall it is just like a coat of sugar on the bitter bill. By any standards it can not be termed as an ideal budget. The benefit of the income tax is not going to affect more than 1% population ie low salary class and low income group because the income tax assessees are less than 4% of the population and most of them are below the income Rs. 2,5 lac, on whom the impact of tax concessions is nil. The budget has nothing to arrest or control the price rise and inflation and the inflationary trends will continue and will have the devastating effect on the aam aadmi. The visible effect of relief of income tax will be wiped out by the indirect taxes like excise duties, as they have been hiked. So it is like putting in one pocket and pulling out more from the other pocket, because the net revenue loss in income tax is of Rs. 26,000 crore and net revenue gain from excise is of 46,500 crore, so the ultimate loss to the people is of Rs. 20,500 crores . The only sweet factor in the budget is for the tiny tots as the toy balloons will become cheaper as they have been fully exempted from central excise duty. Hence the smile is only for the tiny tots due to cheaper toy balloons but not for the parents.

  Pakistan : Terrorist Wahabi Islamic Rep Pakistan 6
Posted by: dhu - 02-25-2010, 11:37 AM - Forum: Strategic Security of India - Replies (639)

[url="http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/feb/24/pak-sikh-refugees-demand-indian-citizenship.htm"]Pak Sikh refugees demand Indian citizenship[/url]

Quote:The Sikh refugees said that they approached the government several times and even sent request letters but many of them are still to get the Indian citizenship.

"We demand that the Indian government should give us citizenship so that we can bring our relatives here from Peshawar. We want them to live a safe and secure life, with their brothers here," said Satbir Singh, another refugee.

  Preparing for 2014 Elections
Posted by: ramana - 02-20-2010, 02:49 AM - Forum: Indian Politics - Replies (13)

From Pioneer, 20 Feb.2010:

Quote:EDITS | Saturday, February 20, 2010 | Email | Print |

Preparing for battle in 2014

Ashok Malik

Despite the lyrical enthusiasm at the BJP’s national executive in Indore, the fact remains national politics is going through a bit of a ‘phoney war’ interregnum. The UPA Government is not quite living up to its mandate of 2009 and has not shown urgency in crucial areas, ranging from military hardware upgrade to economic reforms. Yet, the fact remains the Opposition is too wrapped up in crises of its own to take advantage.

To the BJP’s credit, it has probably bottomed out after a fairly forgettable 2009. For the CPI(M), the other coherent all-India party, the worst is perhaps yet to come. The expected defeat in Kerala and West Bengal in 2011 — particularly in the eastern State that has been a Communist bastion for over three decades — will unleash convulsions of its own. As such, the momentum is with the Congress and as long as rivals such as the Shiv Sena continue to score self-goals or hand over a walkover, this is unlikely to change.

Also, the next Lok Sabha election is four years away. Nobody has a clue as to what issues will dominate the voter’s mind in the summer of 2014. Going by recent experience, perceptions in the weeks running up to voting day — rather than any longer term call — have swung mandates. For the moment, with the promise of three years of robust economic growth and with Mr Rahul Gandhi as the mascot for the post-2014 future, the Congress is fancying its chances. To quite an extent this appears justified. However, when the next general election takes place, the party would also be defending 10 years of incumbency. That would surely throw up some challenges and hostility.

India sees an important State election almost every year. Bihar in the winter of 2010 and West Bengal, Kerala and Tamil Nadu in the first half of 2011 are the upcoming ones. Other than Kerala, the Congress doesn’t really have a stake in this quartet. In Bihar, it is in rebuilding mode and will seek to hurt the BJP’s upper caste base and prise away more Muslims from Mr Lalu Prasad Yadav’s grasp. However, the Congress is not yet a serious contender for office and it will take a miracle for Mr Gandhi and his local lieutenants to deny Mr Nitish Kumar a second term.

In West Bengal and Tamil Nadu, the Congress is dependent on its allies. Here, the party and its partners are banking on the defeatism that has gripped the Left Front and the near withdrawal from effective politics of Ms Jayalalithaa. It is understood the Congress also has long-term plans for both States, ones that see it growing independent of difficult allies in Kolkata and Chennai, but that’s a story for some distant tomorrow. It has no immediate relevance.

The State election that will truly signal the countdown to 2014 will be the contest for Uttar Pradesh in 2012. For the moment, it looks to be a two-horse race between the BSP and the Congress. The Samajwadi Party has lost ground; the BJP is contemplating finishing fourth. Without a weighty performance in Uttar Pradesh — say 20 to 25 of the 80 Lok Sabha seats — the BJP will be severely handicapped in any Government formation exercise in 2014. The Assembly election two years before that will indicate whether its revival in the State is a practicable reality or just fantasy.

For the Congress, Uttar Pradesh will be its truest test yet of the Rahul phenomenon. Ms Mayawati has had a mixed record as Chief Minister but retains strong support among Dalits and sections of Brahmins and Muslims. The Congress’s recent adventurism in Azamgarh stems from a feeling that it is not as well placed in Poorvanchal (eastern Uttar Pradesh) as in Avadh in the centre of the State or in the western belt.

It will not be an easy election but if the Congress succeeds in unseating the BSP, it would have scored a big, big victory and cleared several potential obstacles on the road to 2014. On the other hand, if Ms Mayawati manages to hold on and checks the Nehru-Gandhi comeback, she would have to be factored into any plans to put together an anti-Congress front for the next Lok Sabha battle. Of course she will bargain, and bargain hard. Her potential allies — including the BJP — could have to settle for fairly humiliating terms.

If Mr Nitish Kumar demonstrates success in Patna and if Ms Mayawati retains substantial influence, if not power, in Lucknow, then the broad contours of an Opposition front may just be visible. Along with such non-Congress State heavyweights as Mr Naveen Patnaik in Odisha, this duo could come together to agree on a nominee in New Delhi, without in any way conceding autonomy or space in their individual provinces.

What will such a scenario, if it occurs, mean for the BJP? Roughly speaking, its best bet will be to emerge as a surprise winner in the manner of the Congress in 2004. It will no doubt have its own set of regional chieftains and State Governments — maybe Rajasthan too will be won back in December 2013 — but will have to present itself as a middle-of-the-road, non-ideological entity that can contribute to and maybe even lead a common minimum Government.

There is an alternative framework, though its likelihood is small. What happens if the security situation in India’s near-neighbourhood, in Afghanistan-Pakistan, turns catastrophic? If American troops truly depart and hand a victory to the Taliban? If the implication is a holy war waged against, and unremitting terror waged in, India? In that case, the mood in 2014 will be very different and the BJP will have to focus on a more muscular agenda.

However, while worst-case scenarios should not be forgotten, they must not become obsessions either. As things stand, the BJP has to re-package itself as the adhesive that binds together a non-Congress front, and hope the fates — and the voters — are kind to it in four years. That is the message the party and its stakeholders must absorb, never mind the rhetoric Indore or outdoor.

-- malikashok@gmail.com

  Games & Networks of Anti - Hindu academicians
Posted by: Guest - 02-15-2010, 07:02 AM - Forum: Indian History - No Replies

Like we explored the connections & Nexus in Media and their anti-national attitudes, we should also document political power play by anti-hindu academicians, Funding bodies etc.

Recently in a history group there was a mail on the book written by well known Indian Marxist in a US university.

One Hindu Scholar has written a very good review on that book showing the amount of mistakes in that book and what kind of trash it is. Then a historian from India said we don’t have to take these kinds of anti-Hindu scholars seriously and rebut them. He felt that by reacting to this “nut case (XXX)”, we are providing legitimacy to them which we must resist at all cost.

Then three prominent scholars objected to this “ignoring” and said why Hindus must take put these issues:

Scholar 1:

1) TRAINING: we have too little rather too much competent criticism of the others. This competence takes many years to develop; it needs encouragement and not a flippant dismissal. the skills developed as a solid critic are highly portable and can be deployed later on other targets. If one observes how the Indian youth are being brainwashed on campuses by Marxists-Islamists-crypto Christians, one would learn the merit in such approaches that start with simpler, less prominent targets first. So my first reason to encourage this is that it is a training vehicle both for the scholar doing it as well as for the readers who tend to be rather naive and ignorant most of the time.

2) POWER STRUCTURE/HIERARCHY OF THEIR ARMY: To locate XXX in the big picture, one must understand the whole establishment of institutions that dominate knowledge production, distribution and retailing about civilizations, religions, nations, etc. XXX is a middle ranking officer along with other middle ranking officers like Angana Chatterji, Vijay Prashad and many more I could list. The senior officials like Romila Thapar, Irfan Habib, etc. based in India and several whites and Indians based overseas have many decades of expertise in maturing their collaborations, and networks of influence. They skillfully tap into funding sources, media to promote their books and spread their ideas, school education textbook writers, government policymakers, human rights activists in NGOs, etc. But they rely upon the middle rank to continue the work of producing more brainwashed young scholars. After all, Thapar types are not always active as teachers and even if they are, they know they have limited time ahead. So they groom others like these middle ranks to take over the teaching burden to ensure that the next gen will follow in their ideologies.

XXX has to be studied as it is such folks who will occupy prestigious chairs one day. Already they occupy various committees that make selections: from hiring, to papers selected, to conference attendees invited. When a US University was selecting the replacement of the Chair of Indian History, it was XXX on the selection committee who was championing the hiring of the most radical Marxist Indian historians possible. (This is duty for their version of sangha.) This time around (but probably not in the future) the benefactor was able to intervene and convince the authorities to bend their academic "isolation" and get a person who would be less anti-India. They got such a person - who I am told is somewhat less virulent but still very much into the theory of "foreigners brought everything useful to India". There are more young students today per annum being influenced by these middle rank folks than by the top tier generals of their army. Some of these middle rankers are vying to advance their careers, and for this they need to be seen in a certain light, and they also need to constantly kiss the right asses. It is a career club of sorts. This is not different than the behavior of the diehard religious activists I have observed. The difference is that the club XXX belongs to has control over the institutional mechanisms that are critical to assert power in society - school education, higher education, media, policymaking think tanks, human rights NGOs, and funding mechanisms. Unfortunately, most Hindus I come across are living in some lofty space in the clouds, dismissive of the importance of these institutional mechanisms. They trivialize what they truly don’t even know about.

3) MULTIPLE THEORETICAL FRAMEWORKS: Too many Indian scholars fail to understand the fine distinctions among various kinds of ideologies, and simplistically lump them as "west" or "Christian". The fact is that XXX is very anti-western and anti-white. He champions Ward Churchill, a part Native American, who led the angry anti-white rhetoric, which exaggerated some facts and got denounced. So when it comes to Indian vs. British, XXX will support Indians and hence Hindu. But when it comes to Hindu vs. Muslim issues, he is clearly on the Muslim side. This genre of postcolonialism consists of attacking colonialism, but not replacing it with an indigenous Indian civilization as their foundation, and instead valorizing the Mughal period. You will find this in the work of Sugata Bose even when he is not coauthoring with his Pakistani girlfriend, Ayesha Jalal. XXX is a mild Nehruvian and calls himself a Gandhian although his "Gandhianism" is naive - things like not owning a cell phone as a rejection of modernity but ok to use email. These mixed up folks use symbols, name dropping, who/what they show anger against, what events they attend - all this as a "profile portfolio" to project their intellectual identity within their system. The relationship with postmodernism is paradoxical and contradictory just like postmodernism itself. Western liberals invented postmodernism as a way to reject their past (both the Biblical era and the Enlightenment era that had replaced it). This was supposed to end all power structures of every kind in every discipline and domain. But recently the trend in western academics of theorizing is to reject postmodernism, seeing it as a sort of silly idealism and potentially a dangerous kind. It failed in its goal to deconstruct power (because it got co-opted by the very same power nexuses) and served as a cover for new kinds of power structures. But meanwhile, it is the fashion probe bandwagon of Indians who have downloaded the postmodern thought and turned it into their career ideology. XXX is one of these along with his mentor, Ashis Nandy. So while fighting western hegemony and whiteness (by equating it to modernity, hence the Gandhian symbolism in his portfolio), these Indians enter whiteness through a different and trendier door, namely postmodernism. I call it Postmodernism Whiteness.

So XXX's internal contradictions stem from wanting to believe that postmodernism is truly beyond civilizational grand narratives just because it says so and also because a few Indians have been admitted in as "theorists" such as Gaytri Spivak and Homi Bhabha (Harvard Humanities Dept and not the great Physicist). My point here is that folks who critique these kinds of books should be encouraged to go even deeper into their examination of people like XXX, because once you open the door to enter into their minds; there is no reason to stop after a simple analysis. Once you go deeper, their whole system of thinking and its history and relationships with power gets revealed. (People are also working on a book on this history of whiteness and its morphing into postmodern theories, which locates the "White Indians.")

4) BLINDNESS: A frequent topic of my arguments has been on assertions that "Indology is dead" and that "we won," which sends the implicit message that now "we can go home and relax". I have pointed out that the term Indology got replaced by South Asian studies; the empire that studied India most intensely has transferred from London to Washington; the CONCLUSIONS of what was once Indology have spread like a metastasized cancer into many other fields like religion, anthropology, history, political science, human rights, etc. This stealth Indology is far more dangerous because its mechanisms for spreading are hidden under various disciplines. See any textbook or even a modern western Sanskrit thesis and you see the signature of Aryan invasion/migration theories all over. The same ideological postures exist far more dangerously today. So it’s wrong to discourage whatever little energy we have in terms of mounting a counter discourse. Let them not finish us off so easily due to our own foolishness.

What goes unchallenged turns cancerous. If already cancerous it metastasizes and starts to spread. If its already metastasized it spreads faster unchallenged. So no matter what stage a given tumor might be in, it needs to be confronted and challenged. Even when the challenge seems feeble, it will give fodder to other challengers. In places like amazon.com such negative (but intelligent) remarks do dissuade usage of the books by the vast segment of undecided, the vacillators, the folks who want to be fair, etc. but who are simply uninformed. It’s like a parliament that consists of members who are 100% from one party, but suddenly a dissenting voice appears. This voice cannot overrule the power structure, but its ability to make the system self conscious does have an effect. There are bound to be those who start to be less blatant in their bias just because someone is watching.

Scholar 2:

Not just the book of XXX, even in Wendy Doniger's new book, one can see how the power structures discussed by Scholar 1 below play out. If you see the bibliography of her chapters, she has largely referred to people of 'her school'; Marxist historians; and other partners in 'the good fight' (to use her phrase). It is all about creating and leveraging alliances. She is no fool, or else she would not be today where she is right now.

A quick look at the Worldcat shows that already more than 300 libraries in the US and Europe have purchased her book. If that books goes unchallenged, you can be assured that it will be used as an 'introductory text on Hinduism' very soon. There is an Indian reprint for a mere Rs 500 available already. The urban Hindus who know nothing about our heritage will lap all that she drools. We all know what will happen then.

If nothing, our opposition to such books raises the stakes and discourages at least some potential Hindu baiters from writing such nonsense in future. And the controversy generated is a great way to enlighten our own people about the true foundations of our Dharma.

A very important point that is made below is that all these Hindu and India baiters train ARMIES of students every year. I personally met a lady whose son attended a class by Vinay Lal (a Marxist in UCLA). Initially, he was taken aback but soon, he started agreeing to what Lal said. Lals and Donigers lead their students through a tunneling of vision phenomenon and unless we break this spell, they will not see the truth. One only needs to go to ANY Indian gathering comprising of the normal crowd (not just the Sangh followers) and you will be shocked how much the average Indian has been brainwashed. So we cannot live in this fantasy world and say that people like XXX do not matter. Yes, they do. And unfortunately, they probably matter more than us right now. So we have a good task cut out for us for our lifetimes.

As the Shringeri Shankaracharya once said to me - If Lord Vishnu Himself leaves his state of eternal Kaivalya and incarnates to fight evil, is it not our duty too to fight what is wrong tooth and nail?

Scholar 3:

I understand and sympathize with your interpretation of XXX political motivations, but I do believe there is somewhat more to this story. It is important to recognize that he and his ilk have come to regard Islam as being in the forefront of anti-imperialism, particularly Israeli-American, in which they regard 'Hindu India' complicit. Of course the notion of Hindu India is an absurdity unless one is willing to accept the most visceral Pakistani-Bangladeshi commentary on the nature of India, itself rooted in 19th century sub continental Islamic sectarianism. Interestingly, XXX and his academic kin are unwilling to make direct criticism of 'Islamic regimes' (because they rarely criticize anything Islamic) that the Jihadis, with who they are in sympathy, oppose. But most glaringly, they absolutely refuse to recognize the brutal imperialist agenda of Islamic Jihadis themselves. And even more shockingly, XXX and most Leftist supporters of supposed Islamic resistance to Western imperialism ignore any atrocities Muslim Jihadis commit against innocent non Muslims or indeed Muslims (e.g. the callous killings of Shias in Pakistan by Saudi-inspired Sunnis). Thus Taslima's banishment from Kolkata/India elicited no protest (though one major Leftist writer, Mahasweta-devi, denounced the communists for it) nor the routine kidnapping, rape and the forced marriage of Hindu girls in Bangladesh and various parts of Pakistan.

It is pertinent to note that the Anglo-American war against militant Islamic groups is of very recent origin, indeed less than a decade old. Earlier these murderous Islamist Islamists were very much part of the Western arsenal against Arab nationalism, the USSR (until the early 1990s and later in Chechnya because of its near monopoly of oil pipelines to the West) and other assorted regimes, like India disliked by the West. Indian Leftists have always been part of this political dispensation though its implications were not rendered explicit and barely recognized by protagonists of Hindutva, who have never had the intellectual equipment to see beyond their noses. It is important to recall that this political dispensation was also pro-Chinese and therefore willing partners of their Western ally, the USA, which, incidentally, renewed the integrity of China's nuclear defenses in the mid-1970s (to avert a possible preemptive Soviet nuclear strike) and

then helped Pakistan emerge as a nuclear power and exporter of weapons technology (all the evidence now public). These three parties, Indian Leftists, China and the US, also came together to support the genocide in Bangladesh in 1971.

Indian Leftist access to academic positions in US and British universities has been significantly predicated on the intercession of foreign policy and intelligence agencies (and their academic levies within universities) determined to undermine Indian political legitimacy (they cursed Nehru and Indira Gandhi much more venomously than any Hindutva target) through a non stop critique of all its 'devilish works', thereby validating Pakistani claims of victimhood. The likes of Sugata Bose (with and without Ayesha Jalal) his brother at the LSE (persistent critic of Indian policy in Kashmir) and cousin Sharmila at Oxford (denies the Pakistani army committed mass rape in East Pakistan in 1971) issue a constant patter of delegitimizing against India. I have just read a piece by Professor Dipesh Chakravarty, colleague of the two Chicago University harridans, Doniger and Nussbaum, cynically denouncing Indian nationalist historical writing by insinuating a Hindutva pedigree for it. Nowhere does he cite the implied specifics of distortion by them except to name Romila Thapar and Sumit Sarkar (a genuine low life himself) as some sort of irrefutable evidential iconography to supposedly clinch the argument; he only emerges as a low life as well as a result, which a Chicago chair in the heart of the imperialist monster cannot obviate!

The CPM and its Muslim vote bank are very important explanatory variables too because the communists understood that without Muslims votes they were nothing in West Bengal and Kerala, the only bases of their political power in India. They ensured through myriad party institutions that the Leftist intelligentsia understood this stark reality. As a result, the pro-communist 'intelligentsia' eschewed all questioning of Islam and provided the cultural and intellectual rationale for the victimhood of Muslims and the portrayal of an alleged converse fascism of Brahminnical Hinduism. From Romila Thapar and the two JNU Patnaiks to Amiya Bagchi and Joya Chatterji and countless other acolytes, never has a word of criticism been uttered against Islam. And the non CPM Leftist Indian intelligentsia was intellectually overawed and also depended on the party mandarins, holding crucial academic and bureaucratic offices, for their own careers. And a whole climate of anti-Hindu propaganda took root in which a Leftist identity by became the norm for a large number of university students. And evangelical Christians also supported this insidious campaign (just look at the newer Christian evangelical websites) because doing down Hindus was their first port of call.

But bear in mind that Hindus across the board (including of late Baba Ramdev and Sir Sri) confronted by an implacable Islam have sought to accommodate. Gandhi was only an extreme version of the phenomenon, which is shared even by the RSS, judging by its forlorn efforts to reach some sort of reconciliation with it. R.K. Ohri judges this cowardly Hindu impulse as a product of fear due to prolonged subjugation and constant brutal punishment, floggings, torture and painful deaths.

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