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  KS Subrahmanyam Garu RIP
Posted by: ramana - 02-02-2011, 10:08 PM - Forum: Strategic Security of India - Replies (6)

From TOI quoting PTI, Feb 2, 2011, 07.29pm IST

Strategic expert Subrahmanyam dead

Quote:NEW DELHI: Renowned strategic expert K Subrahmanyam, whose recommendations in the aftermath of Kargil conflict led to a revamp of the country's intelligence network, died here today following a heart attack.

Subrahmanyam, 82, is survived by his wife, three sons and a daughter. He was suffering from cancer and diabetes but his end came after a heart attack, family sources said.

. . .

A very personal loss for me. I guess will meet him in next life.

Arun was so lucky to meet him often. One time he skipped lunch to keep talking to our people!

  Marriage System of India
Posted by: narindar - 01-04-2011, 07:59 AM - Forum: Indian Culture - Replies (10)

Like numerous other societal problems of India

its marriage institution also suffers on account of unenforceable or unenforced laws. India is well known among all democracies to have the most farword looking laws but they all suffer from the same affliction: inability of the government to make laws which are enforceable.

A proposal ought to be considered which enforces a civil law applicable to marriages of all Indians no matter what color, caste or creed they are from. Existence of special marital laws for hindus or sikhs may continue but a new marital system ought to be developed which not only helps people but ends all kinds of problems such as child marriage, dowry system, polygamous marriages, family violence, child abuse, and control of family size.

Even the recent controversy of Khaps which object to marriage within a village and or within a goter may end.

Any two consenting adults (even of the same sex) may marry but only when they obtain a licence to get married from the marriage bureau. This bureau would have an office in every district and it would issue the licence to those couples who are of marriageable age after obtaining their blood samples. Although the couple would be free to marry (within six months) either from a pandit, a sikh priest, a Christian priest or a maulvi, or civil marriage, but they shall under go counselling in personal sexual relations, family planning, sexual diseases, responsibilities of children etc. for three days arranged at the marriage bureau. The officials of various religions shall be duly licensed and required to issue a marriage report (a copy of it would be sent to the Marriage bureau) to the couple after conducting the marriage ceremony.

Within 30 days after the marriage has been solemnized the married couple would, after providing a statement of the gifts exchanged and costs incurred, obtain the Marriage Certificate from the Marriage bureau.

It would be advisable that Marriage Bureau is in a separate building containing not only a registrar of marriages but suitable premises for a civil marriage and a wedding party as part of it. This office could also include: marriage counselling, marriage tribunal dealing with separation and break ups of marriage, certification of

Births & deaths.

The writer is not a lawyer, or a specialist. He is a concerned citizen reacting to India’s problems and suggesting a new approach.

Posted by: balbirranawat2009 - 12-30-2010, 06:54 PM - Forum: Indian Politics - No Replies

This is to focus on the problems faced by the rural muslim woman in the Kashmir Valley, their Aspirations and “Way Out ”, so that a bright, and a prosperous future is seen as a ‘REALITY’, which then can help in containing the ongoing crisis in the valley to some extent.

“REMEMBER” Woman is a backbone of any strong society. She is a source of constant support and motivation to the entire family. She is timid, soft and sweet and bears more pains then men. Woman are more innovative and self reliant and Lastly, given an opportunity they grow and excel in all spectrum of life.



A Good Medical Care.

Ø Economically sound.

Ø Self Pride in the family.

Ø Highest Status in the family.

Ø Confirmed old age pension by the govt.

Ø A religious place to worship.

Ø Tension free old life/respect from her children.

Ø Special privilege by the govt.

Ø Decent last rites.

WIFE (A married woman, especially when considered in relation to her husband)

Ø Respectful Status as a wife.

Ø Self Pride/status in the family.

Ø Financial Security in terms of bank account.

Ø A religious place to worship.

Ø Tension free old life/respect from her children.

Ø Special privilege by the govt in govt jobs.

Ø Cheap/free medical care.

Ø Easy jobs – in village cottage industries.

Ø Women empowerment – Sarpanch/pradhan/join political parties.

Ø Free education upto degree level.


Ø A secured childhood.

Ø A healthy and confident child.

Ø Free/cheap medical care.

Ø Marriage to be solemnised before 25 yrs of age.

Ø Freedom to take up any job available in the valley or out side.

Ø Social freedom to interact with other communities.

Ø Compulsory deposit in banks by the parents.

Ø Option of mass marriage to be exercised by the govt for girls not getting married.

Ø Compulsory NCC training/self protection training in school and colleges.

Ø Monitory stipend by the govt to all girl Child.


Basic amenities like village road, drinking water and electricity are not available in many villages till date.

Ø Malnutrition and almost nil medical care is available in the rural villages.

Ø School & colleges are only for name sake. More number of primary and middle schools be


Ø Unhygienic living conditions as no hygiene and sanitation facilities exist in the villages.

Ø There is no provision to supply K-oil and other daily needs.

Ø High infant mortality exist.

Ø Social welfare organisation are not reaching out to the villages.

Ø Village Panchayats are male dominated.

Ø Inter caste marriages are banned.

Ø Social discord exist in the rural society.

Ø Poor communication network.

Ø No cold storage facilities exist, hence their fruit/agriculture products suffer.


State Govt should ensure that all rural villages are provided with basic amenities like

approach road, drinking water and electricity.

Ø Basic Primary Health Care Centres are made available in the rural areas with availability of

medicines and doctors.

Ø Govt waste land be given to the poor to cultivate for their living.

Ø Availability of local market to their sale their product and also availability of modern

farming technique/precision agriculture tools.

Ø Reduce domestic violence/abuse through awareness by the NGOs/print and media


Ø Adoption of children by other social communities. Rules to be relaxed by the State Govt.

Ø Curb on human right violations. No violation be accepted.

Ø Law of Land must be followed in true spirit.

Ø Environmental rights be safe guarded for a better tomorrow awareness.

Ø State and non-state actors role be checked so that, they do not commit human right

abuses. (like NGOs and MNCs) in the remote villages.

Ø Govt should ensure effective “Community Activities” on personal, legal, health, education

and sanitation projects to bring awareness to the women folks.

Ø Compulsory posting of health educators and health workers in each and every remote

village in the valley.



Ø J&K State Govt with the help of central aid takes up this “CORE” problem i.e. addressing by providing them the basic living amenities so as to lead a comfortable and content life, thereby, making a positive impact on the male member’s psychology, this will in long run help in improving the present situation in the crisis torn valley.

or else


Ø The Army takes over the responsibility to address this core issue through its ongoing “ Op Sadbhawana”. TA Bn (girls) be raised by the Central Govt wherein, the enrolment for ladies and girls from the Kashmir Valley are enrolled with minimum 10+2 education std. These girls then teach the illiterate rural community the various facets of healthy, clean and hygienic life. All Govt development pgmes are executed through this girls TA Bn in a planned/phased manner.

If not, then


Ø A combination of the above two, wherein, both the State Govt and the Army in the valley creates a “Composite Organisation”, wherein, eminent civilian personalities with the senior medical lady officer of the Armed Forces work on the enhancement of rural women in the Kashmir Valley.

Ø Govt/Non Govt/NGOs organisation are co-opted in the above composite organisation, so that, maximum benefits is derived from them, for the welfare of the women.


A little sincere efforts by the Govt and the society can see a Happy/Prosperous/Smiling Kashmir

  Islam - some observations : Interesting Blog Entry
Posted by: rcscwc - 12-28-2010, 04:47 PM - Forum: General Topics - Replies (4)

Islam - some observations : Interesting Blog Entry......

Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat

Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military

components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other


Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.

When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies

agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the

other components tend to creep in as well.

Here's how it works:

As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:

United States -- Muslim 0.6%

Australia -- Muslim 1.5%

Canada -- Muslim 1.9%

C hina -- Muslim 1.8%

Italy -- Muslim 1.5%

Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:

Denmark -- Muslim 2%

Germany -- Muslim 3.7%

United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%

Spain -- Muslim 4%

Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby

securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:

France -- Muslim 8%

Philippines -- 5%

Sweden -- Muslim 5%

Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%

The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%

Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allowthemto rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law.

The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the

entire world.

When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections in:

Guyana -- Muslim 10%

India -- Muslim 13.4%

Israel -- Muslim 16%

Kenya -- Muslim 10%

Russia -- Muslim 15%

After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad

militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian

churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:

Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:

Bosnia -- Muslim 40%

Chad -- Muslim 53.1%

Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of

all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:

Albania -- Muslim 70%

Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%

Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%

Sudan -- Muslim 70%

After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:

Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%

Egypt -- Muslim 90%

Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%

Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%

Iran -- Musl im 98%

Iraq -- Muslim 97%

Jordan -- Muslim 92%

Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%

Pakistan -- Muslim 97%

Palestine -- Muslim 99%

Syria -- Muslim 90%

Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%

Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%

United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace. Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:

Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%

Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%

Somalia -- Muslim 100%

Yemen -- Muslim 100%

Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.

'Before I was nine, I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel. -- Leon Uris, 'The Haj'

It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrasses. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death. Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.

Today's 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world's population. But their birth rates dwarf th e birth rates of Christians, Hindus,Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world's population by the end of this century.

[url="http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36/2010/11/13/entry-1"]Ian's blog[/url]

  Haripur nuclear power - how to fake the bews
Posted by: rcscwc - 12-09-2010, 08:38 AM - Forum: Indian Politics - No Replies

TOI reports that Haripur nuclear project of W. Bengal is facing land acquisition problems. The complex needs about 5,000 acres of land.

TOI reports that 25,000 farmers depend for livelihood on these 5,000 acres, families come extra. Farmers ALONE give a population density of 6,250 per sq. km, against 904 for the whole of the state. Compare it against 12,000 for Delhi.

Which cities are located on acres? Is the news FAKE? But whatever the case, fate of the complex is sealed, same as Tata Nano project. No go.

Can India hope to industrialise like that?

  History of Vedanta monotheism
Posted by: HareKrishna - 11-30-2010, 11:50 PM - Forum: Indian History - No Replies

1.Early indian monotheism

The monotheist ideeas are present in hindu culture from vedic times,but just like in China,they usually dont transform in a specific religion and even then it seems that they have a limited following among the population.

In China monotheism of Heaven worship(Tian or Shang Ti) was surpased by principle of Tao,a more impersonal aproach of the absolute.The heaven worship monotheism become just an addition to a larger imperial cult .

The iranian culture also developed the monotheism of zoroastrism.Knowing the strong similarity of avestic teaching whit the vedic ones,we wonder why hindus didnt become

as monotheist as their avestic brothers.

The answer maybe the strong influence of middle east culture over the iranian neibhourhood.

Only in the middle east monotheism become a specific ,exclusivist doctrine,probably influenced by the absolute monarchy that rule that land,where egyptian pharaoh or babilonian king demand total obedience.

We see in early vedic and upanishadic teachings the ocasional raising of one god or anaother to the status of allpowerfullness or allknowiness,but we dont have evidence for a specific separate monotheistic cult except(as far as i know) for the cult of the god Vasudeva.

Evidence for this cult are dated between 2 and 4 century BC but is not clear if Vasudeva is the same as the later Krishna(why should later change the usuall name in another name?)or the cult of vasudeva was absorbed in the cult of Krishna(Vasudeva becoming just the father of krishna),or here was different cults althoghder.

However ,this cult seem to dissapear from the records during the time when Mimamsa school become the predominand school in India.

2.Vedanta monotheism

Monotheism start to have a large following when Vedanta become the main indian school.

Shankara treaty on Vedanta,in he 8 century, is considered to be the aproximate date when Vedanta start to have a more large following ,overpassing Mimamsa.

Starting whit Ramanuja(11 century) we have have the cristalisation of Vedanta monotheism.

We see the development of a number of religions based on vedanta,that regard one god or another as being the supreme personal god ,even more,as the only one worty to be worshiped,while all other gods are seen as lesser gods,only expansions of the supreme god.

Lets see now the principal monotheist religions of India:

From shaiva branch:

Shaiva Siddhanta: monistic theism (950-1300 AD).In Meykandar's pluralistic realism (ca 1200), God, souls and world are beginningless and eternally coexistent. Shiva is

efficient but not material cause.

Siddha Siddhanta: Expounded by Rishi Gorakshanatha (ca 950), this monistic theism is known as bhedabheda.

Lingayatism: Made popular by Basavanna (1105–1167), this version of qualified nondualism, Shakti Vishishtadvaita, accepts both difference and nondifference between soul and God,

like rays are to the sun. Shiva and the cosmic force are one, yet Shiva is beyond His creation, which is real, not illusory.

Shiva Advaita: This monistic theism, formulated by Srikantha (ca 1050), is called Shiva Vishishtadvaita. The soul does not ultimately become perfectly one with Brahman, but

shares with the Supreme all excellent qualities.

Ganapati branch :replace Shiva whit Ganesh as the supreme god.

Vaishnava brach:

Lakshmi-sampradaya-Philosophy: Vishishtadvaita ("qualified Non-dualism"), espoused by Ramanujacharya

Brahma sampradaya-philosophies: Dvaita ("dualism"), espoused by Madhvacharya, and Achintya Bheda Abheda espoused by Gaudiya Vaishnavism.

Rudra sampradaya-Philosophy: Shuddhadvaita ("pure nondualism"), espoused by Vishnuswami and Vallabhacharya.

Kumara-sampradaya-Philosophy: Dvaitadvaita ("duality in unity"), espoused by Nimbarka.

Ramanadi vaishnava branch:replace Vishnu whit Rama asa the supreme god.

Swaminarayan vaishnava branch replace Krishna whit Narayana as main God.

As we can see there is a surprising similarity betwin teological developments among shaiva and vaishnava during Vedanta period.There is a mirroring in time and ideas.

Unlike the precedent period of hinduism now wee see that only the main god is considered worthy to worship,while the other gods are lesser gods or emanations of the main god.

In shaiva monotheism is Shiva alone ,in Ramanadi vaishnava Rama alone is worthy to worship,in Gaudya vaishnava Krishna alone,in Swamionarayana,Krishna Narayana alone is good for

worship(though Shiva is accepted in ritual as being part of Narayana).

We have 5 main monotheist religions in shaivism and another 6 monotheistic religions in vaishnava,all born as separate religions from about 1000 years ago.Not to count smaller sects.All thanks to Vedanta philosophy.

  Wikileaks - India
Posted by: Guest - 11-29-2010, 03:06 AM - Forum: Strategic Security of India - Replies (156)

251,287 diplomatic cables will be released.

8,000 directives from the State department

15,652 documents are classified ’Secret’- none 'Top Secret

One cable dates back to 1966, but most are newer than 2004

9,005 documents date from the first two months of 2010.

[url="http://www.hindustantimes.com/250-000-secret-US-documents-released-by-WikiLeaks/H1-Article1-632114.aspx"]250,000 secret US documents released by WikiLeaks[/url]

Quote:Of the quarter million top secret US documents released by the whistleblower website Wikileaks, as many as 3,038 classified cables are from the US Embassy in New Delhi. The documents are being published by several media outlets across the globe today, despite repeated insistence from the US that it may put at risk many lives.

Ahead of the release of these documents, the State Department had reached out to India warning it about the impending release.

  Lala Lajpat Rai letters of 1924
Posted by: G.Subramaniam - 11-18-2010, 06:51 PM - Forum: Indian History - No Replies


  Indo-Pak Reunion
Posted by: Sushil - 11-17-2010, 04:53 PM - Forum: Trash Can - Replies (13)

Mr. Sushil Sharma with the objective to reunite India and Pakistan to create Indo-Pak Mahasangha {strategically a partner for peace and development in the region}, which will stop blood bath among friends and relatives. It's well known fact that, before leaving India the Britisher’s created conflicts between Hindu and Muslims by dividing India and Pakistan and left Kashmir independent under their great policy. They knew very well, on this issue both the countries will fight with each other and never live peace fully forever. Because of the “divide and rule” policy till this day we have lost millions of friends and relatives. Nevertheless, we are still not able to solve the problem created by the British.

Rejoining India and Pakistan could not take place because of unexpected death of our father of nation Mahatma Gandhi who was killed by an extremist who thought Mahatma was responsible for slaughter of innocent people. According to him if Mahatma had elected a conscious prime minister and not insisted Nehru to become prime minister of united India, millions of innocent Hindus and Muslims lives could be saved and partition had not taken place. However, it was a great British policy to break the union of Hindu and Muslim of the undivided India.

"United we stand, divided we fall"

Make Indo-Pak Mahashanga to provide better education, create more employment and business opportunity in region

If Germany can be united, which was divided by the British in 1945 and unite for the development their citizen in 1990, why India and Pakistan cannot be re-united for its citizens?

If our union can eliminate the Britsher’s from our country once upon a time, then, our re-union can also create ripples of secularism round the world.

  Khap Gotra issues
Posted by: G.Subramaniam - 11-14-2010, 08:50 PM - Forum: Indian Culture - Replies (31)

There are indeed bad effects of in-breeding

Marrying a 1st cousin decreases IQ by 8, a niece by 15 and a sister by 30 points

Extrapolating , marrying a cousins daughter would decrease IQ by 4 and marrying a second cousin by 2 IQ points

So one could say that all inbreeding effects are negated if the genetic distance is at least 2nd cousin.

In the pre-scientific age, this could be the initial basis of ban on same gotra marriages

In the following posts, I will post more