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  The Real Indian IQ
Posted by: G.Subramaniam - 05-09-2008, 05:36 PM - Forum: Indian Culture - Replies (705)

Indian IQ is not unimodal like other countries ( a single bell curve )
There are at least 43000 endogamous castes and each has its own bell curve
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http://www.isteve.com/IQ_Table.htm


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IQ of Indians in India = 81
This consists of 4 studies, in MP, UP, Bihar and Orissa

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South Africa
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Indians = 83
Whites = 94
Blacks = 66

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Fiji Indians = 84

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Indians in Fiji and South Africa were from coolie class, mostly MBC and Dalit

In Fiji and South Africa the Indians are not starving
So it can be considered a fair score that the MBC-Dalit average IQ is 84


  Food Crisis
Posted by: Capt M Kumar - 05-03-2008, 02:11 PM - Forum: Newshopper - Discuss recent news - Replies (62)

<!--emo&:argue--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/argue.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='argue.gif' /><!--endemo--> Bush blames India for rising food prices

Washington (PTI): U S President George W Bush joined U S Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice in blaming the rising prosperity of India's huge middle class for the spiralling global food prices.

Prosperity in countries like India is "good" but it triggers increased demand for "better nutrition" which in turn leads to higher food prices, Bush said.

At an interactive session on economy in Missouri, Bush argued that there are many factors for the present crisis, only one of which was investment on biofuels like ethanol.

"Worldwide there is increasing demand. There turns out to be prosperity in developing world, which is good. It's going to be good for you because you'll be selling products in the countries, you know, big countries perhaps, and it's hard to sell products into countries that aren't prosperous. In other words, the more prosperous the world is, the more opportunity there is," the US President said.

"It also, however, increases demand. So, for example, just as an interesting thought for you, there are 350 million people in India who are classified as middle class. That's bigger than America. Their middle class is larger than our entire population.

"And when you start getting wealth, you start demanding better nutrition and better food, and so demand is high, and that causes the price to go up," he said.

The comments come close on the heels of Rice cooking up the theory that "apparent improvement" in the diets of people in India and China and consequent food export caps is among the causes of the current global food crisis.

Bush also listed change in weather patterns and increase in basic costs like that of energy as factors contributing to higher food prices.

"No question that ethanol has had a part of it. But I simply do not subscribe to the notion that it is the main cost driver for your food going up," Bush said.

Several international experts have in recent days held biofuels, until recently cast as a miracle alternative to polluting fossil fuels, for being responsible for usurping arable land and distorting world food prices.

"Actually, the reason why food prices are high now is because, one, energy costs are high, and if you're a farmer, you're going to pass on your cost of energy in the products you sell, otherwise you'd go broke.

"And when you're paying more for your diesel, paying more for your fertiliser because it's got a lot of, you know, natural gas in it, in other words, when your basic costs are going up, so does the cost of food," Bush said.

He said there are two aspects of rising food prices -- its effect on US citizens and the fact that there is a food scarcity in the world.

"We don't have a scarcity issue in America...We got a price issue. Our shelves aren't going empty, it's just costing more money," Bush said.

"There is scarcity in the world, and I happen to believe when we find people who can't find food we ought to help them find it," he said adding, "America is by far the most generous nation when it comes to helping the hungry."

"We're an unbelievably compassionate nation," he said.

"I think we ought to change our food policy in Africa and other developing countries...buying food directly from farmers as opposed to giving people food. I think we ought to be saying, 'Why don't we help you be able to deal with scarcity by encouraging your farmers to grow and be efficient growers? Otherwise, we're going to be in this cycle forever."


  US Elections 2008 - III
Posted by: Guest - 05-03-2008, 05:26 AM - Forum: Trash Can - Replies (273)

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Discussion in Club 700 or Black Church is no different. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Precisely. Google for McCain and Hagee and wonder as to why that is not an issue? Could be because we know McCain's a politician and disappointed that Barak's the same?


  Niti (chanakya, Vidura, Bhartr^ihari, ...)
Posted by: Bodhi - 05-02-2008, 08:53 PM - Forum: Indian Culture - Replies (22)

asantuSTa dvijA naSTAH saMtuSTashcha mahIbhR^itAH
salajjA gaNikA nirlajjAshchakulA~nganA

insatiable brahmins are ruined, so also stoic kshatriya-s
like the bashful courtesan and the shameless lady of a good family

(chANakya-nIti-darpaNaH 8.18)


  This Day In History
Posted by: Guest - 04-13-2008, 08:54 PM - Forum: Newshopper - Discuss recent news - Replies (110)

Post items pertaining to <b>today</b> going back in Indian history. Hopefully we'll come up with a Indian History calendar soon.


  Indian Commies And Leftists Abroad
Posted by: Bharatvarsh - 04-10-2008, 10:06 PM - Forum: Indian Politics - Replies (16)

I created this topic to collect the names and info on our commies and leftists who are abroad and work tirelessly to screw Hindus and support Muslim terrorism.

I am aware that some like Angana Chatterjee are well known but there are lesser fish floating around that are not known.

For a start:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Vinay Lal
History

http://www.uclaprofs.com/profs/lal.html<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->  Ironically enough, Goldberg was involved in a major UC controversy that would have provided her an ideal soapbox to complain about the university’s intellectual apartheid.  The only problem is that Goldberg simply didn’t care about the issue.  As Chair of the Task Force on Course Descriptions (serving under the UC-wide Academic Senate), Goldberg dealt with the case of the Fall 2002 UC Berkeley course, “The Politics and Poetics of Palestinian Resistance,” taught by notorious radical (and teaching assistant) Snehal Shingavi.

The course was infamous for its catalog description, which laid out its extreme pro-Palestinian ideological precepts and then cautioned, “Conservative thinkers are encouraged to seek other sections.”  The course was not unusual in content, or even in its spittle-soaked claims of a “brutal Israeli military occupation of Palestine” that has “systematically displaced, killed and maimed millions of Palestinian people.”  Rather, it was unusual only in its forthright declaration of its overwhelming bias; most professors couch their classroom bias in generic language.


            A May 9, 2002 Wall Street Journal opinion article by Roger Kimball first publicized the course description, and in particular, that pithy, sound-bite friendly declaration, “conservative thinkers should seek other sections.”  What ensued was no less than an epic political sh1t-storm, which was matched by an equally epic cover-up on the part of Berkeley Chancellor Robert Berdahl.  In the end, Shingavi was neither fired nor even removed from the course.  Instead, the course description was bowdlerized, an English department faculty member was assigned to monitor the class, and the English department chair met with students on the first day of class to reaffirm their right to open discussion and fair grading.  On a broader level, there was a flurry of task force formations, the imposition of new bureaucratic rules, and much voting to express and reaffirm concern of various types, ad infinitum.  Untouched in the entire controversy was the underlying issue of why Shingavi (a fifth-year graduate student and a leader in the violent Berkeley group Students for Justice in Palestine) could get approval to teach such a biased course, particularly on a topic to which his political activism proved he could bring no objectivity.  Instead, the report ended with a host of cheerful comments from 11 of the 14 final participants.  The forced conclusion: “See?  Berkeley doesn’t have any problems.  This was all a big conservative overreaction.”

http://www.uclaprofs.com/profs/goldberg.html<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So I googled Shingavi and came up with this:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Schools:
Lowery el, Attended 1981 - 1986
Watkins Middle School, Attended 1986 - 1989
Langham Creek H S, Attended 1989 - 1993, Class of 1993

Schools (Other):
Langham Creek HS, Trinity University, University of California at Berkeley

College/University:

University of California - Berkeley, Attended 1997 - Present, Ph.D., English
Trinity University, Attended 1993 - 1997, Class of 1997, Bachelor's Degree, English/Economic

Occupation:

graduate student instructor
Affiliations:

United Auto Workers local 2865, International Socialist Organization, Berkeley Stop the War Coalition, Campus Antiwar Network

Hobbies and Interests:

politics, literature, art, film, socialism, history, television, poetry (a new-found love of the ghazal)

Favorite Books:

A Sinking Island, The God of Small Things, Love in the Time of Cholera, Kalidasa's Shakuntala, The Interior Landscape, The Palm at the End of the Mind, Absalom, Absalom!, Kanthapura, Unfortunately, It Was Paradise, Mrichchakatikam, Seasons of Migration to the North, Nightwood, Waiting for the Barbarians, Twilight in Delhi, All About H. Hatterr, Rebel's Silhouette, Midnight's Children, Hibiscus on the Lake, Samskara, Lihaf, Tehdi Lakir, History of the Russian Revolution, Men in the Sun, Kulliyat-e-Kaifi Azmi, Andhere Mein, Shekhar: Ek Jivani, the Collected Works of John Donne, Paradise Lost, Queen Mab, Black Boy, Mrs. Dalloway, Angare, The Collected Poems of Constantin Cavafy, The Old Social Classes and Revolutionary Movements of Iraq, Me Grandad 'Ad an Elephant, The Brothers Karamazov, Shikawaa-o-Jawaab-e-Shikawaa, The Pound Era, Angare

Favorite Movies:

Khamosh Pani, Sholay, Diksha, Land and Freedom, The Battle of Algiers, Paheli, My Beautiful Laundrette, Norma Rae, Memento, Tape, The Legend of Bhagat Singh, Naseem, Subeh, Mughal-e-Azam, Garam Hawa, Arth, Earth 1947, Six Degrees of Separation, Pyaasa, Love Me If You Dare, Vanaprastham

Favorite Music:

Hans Eisler, Iqbal Bano, Asha Bhosle, Cheb Khaled, Marcel Khalife, Umm Kulthum, Chitra, Nina Simone, Jagjit Singh (except when he sings Vajpayee's poems), Noor Jehan, Begum Akhtar, Amir Jamal, Bombay Jayashree, Shreya Ghoshal, Pandit Jasraj, MS Subbulakshmi

Favorite TV Shows:

The Closer, Simpsons, Alias, Six Feet Under, Project Runway, Daily Show, News Radio, The Practice, Roseanne, Iron Chef, Grace Under Fire, Good Eats, Daria, Boston Legal, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, The Closer ... anyone who knows me knows that I can always find something on TV to watch

Zodiac Sign:

Libra

About Me:

I'm a socialist, and probably a poet at heart, though I write bad poetry and so have all but given up attempting to compose moving verse -- I'm settling for semi-competent prose. I've just finished a translation of a Hindi novel which is now available from Oxford University Press (hint, hint), and I'm trying to finish my dissertation ... but Bush keeps going to war or invading another country and protesting him keeps getting in the way. In the meantime, INQUILAB ZINDABAD !
http://profiles.friendster.com/inquilab<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
These are kinds who will poison the minds of NRI students with their one sided propaganda in universities and we need to be aware of them.

So keep posting new names whenever you come across them.


  International Conference On Indian History
Posted by: Guest - 04-08-2008, 05:53 AM - Forum: Indian History - Replies (87)

International Conference on Indian history
Jan 9-11,2009, India International Centre, New Delhi
When, Where, Who , What and Why
ICIH2009
Call For Papers

The Fundamental Postulates behind the Convening of the conference

It is taken as largely axiomatic in the study of the History of the Indic peoples , that the civilization that remains extant has been brought into the area by migrating races such as the Aryans , and in fact some would argue, that such a statement holds also for the so called Dravidians of India. According to such a narrative everything that was worth preserving has been handed down to us over the centuries by migrations, within the last 3 1/2 millennia, into the subcontinent, from somewhere else. Such a viewpoint was first expressed by Hegel who took the view , subsequently internalized by Indics after being told ad nauseum by a whole slew of British historians from James Mills to the latest Oxford and Cambridge Histories that India was always a derivative civilization. It is not our contention that all historians have taken such a jaundiced view of the Indic past. There has been a school of historians and philosophers who have taken a Civilizational view of the Indic past, among whom we count Arnold Toynbee, Will Durant, Karl Potter, Fernand Braudel and Samuel Huntington, who while they may agree with the chronology of the Occidental Historians of India, disagree profoundly with the notion that India is a derivative civilization
It is also true that the history that is taught the children of India today is vastly at variance with the puranic accounts handed down to us over several millennia. It is to state it without any embellishments, a revised history that is completely at odds with the traditional history of India. Such a state of affairs persists even today, and most schoolchildren everywhere in the world are taught the erroneous chronology and that India lacks historical agency
The premise of this conference is that the current narration of the History of the Indic people is seriously and fatally flawed
both with respect to the chronology as well as in content
Philosophy behind Conference
1. In order to understand the civilization, one must mine the Civilizational knowledge that accompanies it , the fundamental pramANas, the metaknowledge that forms the underpinning of the civilization. Even so great an intellect as Amartya Sen fell prey to the temptation of assuming that the schism in the occident between religion and science operates in India too. But in India there never was such a schism (until we were told by the west that such a schism is unavoidable in every society). If Aryabhata was not believed by his successors, on his remarks on the rotation of the earth, it is primarily because they did not have sufficient data convince themselves he was right and not because of religious dogma as Amartya Sen would have you believe. In any event, these are the issues we should be studying. We need to devote sometime in the conference to issues relating to Civilizational knowledge

2. I make no apologies for my choice of the mathematical sciences as a Canonical example of the Civilizational knowledge of the ancient Indians. My interest in the history of mathematics is of long standing and I came to Indian history through the circuitous route of studying Greek Mythology and the Greek contributions to mathematics. It also happens to be the most mature of human endeavors and an area where the Indics have made a signal contribution. Many Indian philosophers were also excellent mathematicians and to use a word more prevalent today were 'polymaths'. Many classical indian historians shy away from commenting on the mathematics of the ancients, because they are not comfortable in a mathematical milieu. and not because it should not be studied in a holistic manner. This however does not mean that we exclude other Civilizational hallmarks of the Indic peoples

3. The Occidental has tried his best to prevent us from seeing the Indic civilization in its totality, by denying us the autocthonous origin of various disciplines. He was extraordinarily vehement in defining the new chronology and was careful that no discovery should be attributed to India prior to the Golden age of Greece. And soon it became an axiom of Indic thought that we had borrowed everything from the Greeks and Indians today are caught in the web of a circular argument, where we assume the answer to the question 'when did the Indics discover this . Typical of such Indian writers (and almost no Indian writer has challenged the basic steel frame of the Indian chronology of Vincent smith) was Gaurang Nath Banerjee who wrote about Hellenism in Ancient India, which was obviously written to placate occidental sensibilities in 1920.

There is another reason why we should rely heavily on the works of Indic astronomers, apart from telling us what they knew, they were quite precise in dating their own period and by making observations of the sky enabled us to date an event with remarkable precision.

4.The connection between the strategic environment that the Indic civilization faces today and our history and the costly mistakes which result in a false reading of history, need not be belabored to this audience and hence my attempt at getting the strategic community in the same room as the historians. Typical of such decisions that our Government has made is the abandonment of Tibet to the clutches of the Asian Superpower
Goals of the conference
We cannot clean the Aegean stables even in 3 days, but what we can do is to spark the initiative of investigators, researchers, historians , think tank consultants, and yes even Autodidacts into setting the stage for a process whereby the framework for the Indian chronology is more in synchronization with the latest discoveries as well as encourage the use of new technologies in deciphering the Indic past while at the same time establishing a Forensic science that is devoted to such efforts. We can also educate the parents as consumers to demand a more authentic treatment of History in school text books. Hence the conception .
The conference has basically two objectives. One is to increase awareness of strategic thinking and to show that a strategic approach based on long term objectives is key to creating an environment for a civilization in which the future is less threatening and offers greater and better choices. The second objective is to increase awareness of the importance of learning the accurate history of India and its impact on the future choices that a country can and should make in its vital interest.

Major themes of Conference
One major but unique complication in deciphering the Indic past is that one must make the distinction between the chronology of an event and the date at which it was first chronicled. This is because the chronicling of the Indic past is itself an event of considerable antiquity

Mainly Historical Themes
• Is it a valid premise to assume that the current history is seriously mangled and distorted? We believe an objective appraisal of Indian history as exemplified in the presentations at HEC2007 came down heavily in favor of such a proposition, but we will keep an open mind and hear those who would argue against such a thesis
• Identify key distinguishing characteristics and dates of the Indic civilization of relevance to the current strategic environment facing India
• Indicate those areas of Indian history which are egregiously in error and the resulting impact on the manner in which India is viewed in the world today
• The British Colonial period
• Historiography of Indian Arts
• Provide examples of policy based on an erroneous interpretation of History
• Propose methodology and criteria to evaluate the accuracy of the current or future proposed narratives of Indic history
• Discuss the present day nonchalance towards history and rekindle the interest in History
• Discuss the Recognition and Revival of traditional knowledge sytems in Republican India
• We know the history of a country affects the economic choices it makes, but how does the economic well being - or lack thereof -- in a country or the economic choices it makes affect the history of the civilization.
• In the seventeenth century, as during most of the history during the Christian era, the Indian GDP according to Angus Madison, comprised 25% of the world on a PPP basis. Examine the causes of the rapid deterioration in the economic well being of the subcontinent beginning after the Battle of Plassey, resulting in the First of the Great Famines of Bengal in 1777, and the death by slow starvation of 1/3rd of the population of Bengal.
• Discuss the potential impact of the new politically correct dogma , unique to India which goes under the name of Secularism and its impact on the historiography of India and the discipline of History, and more importantly the caricaturization of the Hindu as a Saffron Fascist
• Identity and Politics interact not only in history writing, but also in current affairs. How much of the identity politics today, including so called subaltern studies is a consequence of the massive distortion and reinventing of caste by the colonial overlord ? Did the 1971 war and Pokhran I cause the large increase in funding of South Asian studies
• Suggested List of theme titles
1. Perceptions of 'History' (with special reference to Indian history)
2. History and the Historian: Judging history versus pleading history
3. Colonial-Missionary distortions in Indian history
4. Impact of post-modernism and post-structuralism on contemporary Indian historiography
5. Post-Colonial distortions
6. Impact of history writing on identities and geopolitics today
7. Current status of the debate on Vedic-Harappan Identity
8. Ongoing debate on Indian history text-books in India and abroad
9. History of Indian Ocean Community
10. History of Indian Diaspora.
11.Women in Ancient India
The Occident and The Geopolitics of India
• Discuss the extent to which the current History of India is an Occidentalist Revision
• India and the US form the two largest English speaking regions in the world and the 2 largest Democracies In the past the relationship has been nevertheless a difficult one. what is the future of this relationship
• Discuss the extent of India's contribution to technology and the sciences in the past and the consequences for Indian policy makers in dealing with other civilizations and nation states. Discuss possible transfers of technology from India to Greece and later to Europe, and the impact it may have had on the resurgence of Europe, such as the Renaissance and the Enlightenment. For instance there is ample circumstantial evidence that the Gregorian calendar was fixed in 1582 after the Jesuits learned about sidereal measurements and the accurate trigonometric tables from the Jyotish in Kerala.
• Discuss the potential Indic origin of the realist imperative (e.g. John Meerscheimer and Hans Morgenthau) of the Occidental in his formulation of foreign policy (It is our contention that the imperative has been a significant strand in the Indic strategic weltanschauung, ever since the time of Sri Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita, . The efficacy with which he plied his craft is attested to by the fact that he was equally trusted by both parties in the war
• Discuss the implications of the Sarasvati Sindhu civilization on the posture of Pakistan, if any, and the relationship between India and Pakistan
• Encourage and Report on independent study of Mesoamerica by Indics to assess whether the Occidental has applied a similar Eurocentric approach to the historical narrative of the Incas and the Aztecs
• Discuss the various ways in which the Occidental has caricatured the Indic such as for example by reinventing the caste system as the prime determinant of the Indic civilization.
• Discuss the manner in which Indian Literary and Scientific historiography has been characterized by the Occident and the almost total ignorance of the works of such stalwarts as Bhartrihari among the youth of India today.
• The Goan inquisition and its impact on Indian society, especially in the Konkan area

1. Distortions in Indian History during Various eras
POSSIBLE SESSIONS
1. The era of the Ancients and the beginning of River valley Civilizations (7000 BCE to 4000 BCE)
Key event The battle of the Ten Kings (the Dasarajna battle)
Key Paradigm The composition of the Vedic literature
2. The era of Geographical Expansion and consolidation of Civilizational values (from the ancients up to 1000 CE)
Key event Development of Darshanas, Astronomy, development of numerical symbols and the place value system
(including the Brahmana era, the Sutra era, and the Upanishadic era)
3. The Era of conflicting Paradigms (1000 CE to 17th Century)
Key event Islam asserts its presence in the Indian Subcontinent
4. The Indic Renaissance (16th century to present) and the Age of Colonization
Stimulus Response Debate: The Policies of the Colonial State and the Indian Response
Key Event The Impoverishment and malnourishment of India
5. The Republic and the Occidentalist Caricature of the Indic(1947 to present)
Key event – Independence is not accompanied by independence of thought

2.Geopolitical and Strategic Issues confronting India today and in the future
Realism and the Realist imperative today and its roots in Indic tradition
Geopolitics of US, India and China
3.The development of the Arts, Science and Technology beginning in the ancient era and the possible transmission to the west
The Indic Mathematical Tradition
Negation of India’s contribution to the Sciences and to Linguistics
Was the Calculus invented in India
Historiography of India Arts


  Events: Forum To Ground
Posted by: Capt M Kumar - 04-04-2008, 09:55 PM - Forum: Newshopper - Discuss recent news - Replies (7)

<!--emo&:ind--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/india.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='india.gif' /><!--endemo--> <span style='color:blue'>Yesterday, I attended Mayoral debate at Sugarland, Tx organised by IAPAC(local chapter of Indo American Political Action Committee).
The purpose of putting it here is that ultimately, we have to translate ideas into reality and organise events.
United we stand.
Now, the mute point:
Whether you agree or not but POIs(People of Indian orgin) are more interested in wholesale politics(e.g. Vice Prez, Governors, State politicians and so on) than retail politics whereas retail politics like Mayor is supposed to be nonpartisan.</span>


  Dwell Philosophy
Posted by: Guest - 04-04-2008, 12:21 AM - Forum: Trash Can - Replies (2)

Lack of fully developed ideology for living and livelihood is a major lacuna for all the right wing political parties in our country. I suppose this is true in the case of all democracies in the world. Though unworkable and unrealistic, the theocratic parties have their religious books and leftists have their international standards in the form of Das Kapital and Communist Manifesto. Barring some stern positions in few contentious issues, none of the rightist politicians venture to spell out their ideology about aspects that affect the living and livelihood of ordinary folks. The lone exception to this serious shortfall was the outstanding effort by Pundit Deendayal Uapadhya. His unique thesis on Integral Humanism, given in a series of speeches in Bombay from 22nd to 25th April, 1965, form the basis of a system of governance that is suited to the Indian nation and its people, regardless of caste, religion or region, as the alternative for all round human development. India lost one of its best right wing brains with his untimely demise in 1968.

The brilliant pundit had summarized the essence of Integral Humanism as follows:-

• An assurance of the minimum standard of living to every individual and preparedness for the defence of the Nation.
• Further increase above this minimum standard of living whereby the individual and the Nation acquire the means to contribute to world progress on the basis of its own Chiti.
• To provide meaningful employment to every able-bodied citizen, by which the above two objectives can be realised, and to avoid waste and extravagance in utilising natural resources.
• To develop machines suited to Bharatiya conditions (Bharatiya technology), taking note of the availability and nature of the various factors of production (Seven Ms).
• This system must help, and not disregard the human being – the individual. It must protect the cultural and other values of life. This is a requirement which cannot be violated except at the risk of great peril
• The ownership, state, private or any other form, of various industries must be decided on a pragmatic and practical basis.

He would have developed and modified it further, and India would have been firmly under the control of a right wing ideology by end of twentieth century. But it was not to be so. It should now be the solemn duty of each and every right thinking Indian national to contribute his or her ideas for the development of such a full fledged socio-economic-political ideology that can take us to the top of the world once again. Here is my own, which I would call as the Philosophy of DWELL (Dharmic Way of Enlightened Living and Livelihood). Some brief outlines on the most important aspects of life would provide the directions to proceed and develop further.

Dharmic Living

The basic tenet of any form of social governance in India must be Dharma. And Dharma is that which sustains. Dharma Rajya must ensure religious freedom, and must not be a theocratic State. Dharma is something that is very basic to human nature and it has nothing to do with any religious faith or belief. We should always bear in might that what is right or wrong is often different from what is dharmic or adharmic. As an example, it is always wrong to kill, but it is dharmic for a soldier or butcher to kill. Hindu Rashtra or Ram Rajya may be objectionable to many Indians, but Dharma Rajya must be acceptable to all Indian nationals. By the way, a nation does not spring up from mere co-habitation. As indicated by Punditji “When a group of persons live with a goal, an ideal, a mission and look upon a particular piece of land as their own, this group constitutes a Nation. A lot of trouble in the West is due to the fact that they confused the State with the Nation, they considered the State synonymous with the Nation.”

Modern India and ancient Bharat have a unique meeting point in the land of Dharma, and if we do not utilize this basis we are digging our own graves. For a Dharma Rajya to dawn, our legislations, socio-economic systems and government policies must undergo the litmus test of Dharma. Only those which are Dharmic must be allowed to be passed and practiced. In a truly democratic and secular set up, it will be difficult to have disputes regarding dharma and adharma. If at all there are cases where such disputes arise, a Dharma Sabha comprising of spiritual leaders from all religions in direct proportion to their population must be convened to reach a consensus decision.

Dharmic Livelihood

Dharmic livelihood is equally important as dharmic living. There are many who lead religious, generous and selfless lives with money generated from adharmic sources. We have heard of smugglers and robbers who are more popular among laymen than righteous leaders. Then there are corrupt politicians who have turned Gandhians after the loot. In a Dharma Rajya these scenarios must never be encouraged. Dharmic living must be necessarily coming from dharmic means of livelihood. Occupation of all types must pass the digital test of Dharma, which gives either a positive or negative result. There is nothing like a half-dharmic or somewhat-dharmic job. All sorts of adharmic occupations must be banned, discouraged and looked down upon by the society.

Enlightenment Goals

Enlightenment must be the declared goal of all individuals in a Dharma Rajya. There are enlightened individuals in all sections of the society and they should be recognized as such. Enlightenment is something that is attained and not inherited. Truth is God and learning to know the truth is the path to enlightenment. Swamis, Moulavis, Clergy, scientists, artists, leaders and in fact all of us are in such a path of enlightenment, but at different stages depending upon our caliber and efforts. It is important to recognize and respect those who are ahead of us in the path.

Nation First

‘Nation first and notions next’ must be the key slogan for management of human resources in a nation. In India, it must be the feeling of Indian Nation that should be first and foremost in the minds of all Indian nationals. All other notions of religious, regional and linguistic divide must become subordinate to our national feelings. We must be willing to give up all other identities if they are against our Indian nationality. Cross-border fraternity and international brotherhood must be secondary to the feeling of co-nationality in a Dharma Rajya.

Distribution of Wealth

It is the duty of a responsible state to provide legal and transparent channels for distribution of wealth. The unconditional acceptance of inequality among individuals is the distinguishing feature that differentiates the rightists from leftists. In any society of unequals, there should be provisions for those at the top to contribute their might for the upliftment of those left behind. Helping and charity are in the basic nature of any human being, and it should be more so in a dharmic society. Given an opportunity for parting with reasonable part of income for helping others, it is natural for any normal individual to oblige. A dharmic society must always provide such avenues for sharing.

In India there is nothing better than a drastic re-definition for the religious places of worship to achieve this. Temples, mosques and churches should become the authorized centres for compulsory distribution of wealth. There should be comprehensive legislations that should ban any place of worship from accumulating wealth beyond its own reasonable operating costs. The underlying dharmic principle is very simple – omnipotent and omnipresent Ishwar does not need any material wealth. All wealth and income accumulating in any place of worship must be distributed among its own users on an equal per-capita basis without any discrimination (those who do not need can always decline).

Reservation and Minorities

In a Dharma Rajya, there is no place for minority status for any one. All are equal, equally important and equally responsible. There should be any form of reservation only for the following:-

• Mentally or physically challenged
• Adivasis (ie. people who would prefer to live in forests)

However, the State should guarantee minimum requirements of food, clothing, shelter and primary education to each and every individual Indian national. The best option before the government is to provide a minimum quality life assurance coverage policy to each Indian national when he or she attains the age of say 5 years. For those who do well later in life the same policy can be used to yield higher annuity returns when required.

Population & Control

India as a nation has existence only till the time the demography is preserved at least in the current proportions. Otherwise it will go the way Pakistan or Bangladesh or East Timor or Kosova. To avoid this disaster, religious conversions in all forms must be banned. Individuals should be allowed to covert from one religion to another, in a highly difficult manner, only if they want to marry into another religion and that too only once in their lifetime.

Modern India and Indians have a lot to learn from our own much boasted family planning campaign in the past and how such good intentional programs have been cleverly undermined by some sections of the society. It is widely believed that the sabotage had the full blessings of those who initiated the same. The fact that almost all the educated Catholics in India (and uneducated others) have at least three children speaks volumes about the amount of ‘family planning’ that has gone into the silent exercise of making a fool of others. In Dharma Rajya there should be no scope for such dirty tricks - there should be no state control or guidelines for procreation. Even while providing all modern facilities for birth controls it should be purely left to the individuals to decide on the number of children they should have.

Education & Sports

A dharmic society must encourage only dharmic education, which should equip individuals with ability to understand and develop skills for a livelihood. To become a good Hindu, Muslim, Christian etc., one has to become a good Man first. Learning the truly secular ways of getting knowledge and skills for livelihood are pre-requisites to enter any path of enlightenment. Any form of religious education before of the age of ten is useless and fifteen is counter-productive to the intended objectives. Children should necessarily attend their own religious classes only after attaining the age of fifteen. By that time they would have become good human beings and good Indian nationals too.

State intervention in sports and games is welcome when there are unhealthy trends developing in these fields. The disproportionate and unhealthy interest in the gambling game of cricket presents such a scenario in India now. Games & sports must be oriented towards development of physical health. Football, hockey, kabadi etc., must be encouraged at all costs.

Agriculture & Industry

In a broad sense, it is agriculture that has always sustained culture and it is the mother of all that we call as our culture. Emphasis given to sustainable methods of agriculture must be very high and a minimum of 25% budget allocation must be made every year for sustaining agriculture in our country. Loan facilities given to those in the agricultural sector must be liberalized and capping should be always made on the rate of interest chargeable. Performance of banks must be based on KPIs related to quantum of loans made and recovered, and not on the basis of profits. Industrial sector must always subsidize the agricultural sector, under the basic argument that agriculture is something very basic to human existence. There should be no conflict and competition between the two. In short, it is the basic dharma of industry to sustain agriculture.

There are many who indulge in false propaganda that rightist ideologies are reactionary and anti-development. Nothing can be further away from truth than this propaganda by followers of failed ideologies. Ancient Indian concepts of Dharma are proving their relevance in modern times almost every moment. All the modern and evolving concepts of sustainability, social justice, eco-friendliness, renewable energy etc., fit in very well into a social system that is based on Dharma. Our India will be a much better place to live in for all sections of our society if we can voluntarily opt for an Indian way of living. In any case the days of DWELL Philosophy are not very far in India.


  BJP Future - 6
Posted by: Guest - 03-29-2008, 05:06 PM - Forum: Trash Can - Replies (389)

What is going on here? Why should advani say that he was not there? Why say this white lie? Obviously advani NOW knows how damaging it is for a home minister to travel with a terrorist on the same plane, but did he not know at that time? Probably thought it would be a photo-op like opening a building or a bridge. And why would Fernandez contradict advani? Either he is not in good terms with advani or is that brutally honest type. Either way advani should have known better. Wasn't paswan also in govt that time?

This problem is similar to the bosnia white lie issue that is dogging hillary clinton. to the un-initiated, hillary had visited bosnia in 1996 in the middle of the war to cheer up the US troops. Apparently she was warned about sniper fire and other dangers before they landed. during campaign, hillary claimed that she heard sniper shots during the visit and had to run to the plane under grave threat. One comedian who had gone with hillary immediately contradicted, saying the only threat they came under was "excess food" that they had stuffed themselves with. hillary said that comedian was mistaken. unfortunately for hillary, the entire video of the tour came out that showed no sniper fire and proving hillary to be a liar. after the video came out hillary said she made a "mis-statement". as a result hillary's campaign is tanking. politicians lying is a big thing in US as people in US expect their leaders to be honest and held to a higher standard, even if people themselves are not.

I think advani's mis-statement is more damaging as there is nothing wrong with a peaceful visit to bosnia but travelling with a terrorist on the same plane to exchange him is horrible. he should have just moved on, saying that at that time he was more concerned with the lives of the passengers more that about travel arrangements.

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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Fernandes drills hole in Advani hijack defence
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New Delhi, March 28: George Fernandes has asserted that L.K. Advani did attend the meeting of ministers which decided Jaswant Singh should fly to Kandahar with the terrorists to be traded off for the passengers of a hijacked Indian plane.

The veteran ally’s remarks left the BJP speechless days after Advani had claimed he was initially unaware of the controversial decision, and came to know of it at the last minute.

“Yes, all of us were present,” Fernandes, the National Democratic Alliance convener, told interviewer Karan Thapar when asked whether Advani was at the meeting.

Fernandes was defence minister and Advani home minister in December 1999 when the Atal Bihari Vajpayee government decided that foreign minister Jaswant should accompany the freed militants to Afghanistan.

When Thapar mentioned Advani’s recent claim, Fernandes suggested the BJP leader might not have been at the meeting “at that point of time” and said he didn’t think Advani was “lying”.

But when the interviewer suggested that Advani’s recollections could be faulty, the Janata Dal (United) leader, according to the transcript, said: “Yes, that can happen.”

BJP spokesperson Prakash Javadekar refused to answer questions relating to the interview, to be telecast on CNN-IBN’s Devil’s Advocate on Sunday. The party had on Monday endorsed the version of Advani, now its shadow Prime Minister.

Fernandes’s remarks will provide ammunition to the Congress, which has anyway ripped into Advani’s claim.

Some BJP leaders expressed anguish at the ageing and ailing NDA convener’s “indiscretion”. They tried to play down the remarks, saying Fernandes’s memory has been failing him.

But many party leaders admitted in private that Advani’s attempt to wash off the Kandahar blot had breathed fresh life into the dying controversy. They declined to be quoted, saying it was for Advani to set the record straight.

Some in the party see a possible escape hatch in Fernandes’s suggestion that Advani may not have been at the meeting when the decision was taken.

Earlier, the BJP, asked how a home minister could have been so badly out of the loop, had claimed that Advani had indeed been part of the decision to free the terrorists but the meeting had not discussed the details of their Kandahar trip.

Advani, projected as a strong leader concerned about national security, has been at pains to disown the Kandahar capitulation. His recent “revelation” came after a failed whisper campaign about his opposition to the militants’ release.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->