Not sure how many of you know... I dont see any main stream media reporting this...

1) Raghavendra Mutt @ Erode desecrated, the main idl of Shri Rama broken and thrown in the streets ...
http://dinamalar.com/2006dec08/specialne...p?newsid=4

2) Shankara Mutt is Salem vandalized.
http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/news/2006/...anchi.html

3) Couple of Ganapathi Mandirs at Villupuram and other places vandalized
http://dinamalar.com/2006dec08/specialne...p?newsid=1

4) Petrol bombs hurled at Ayodhya Mantap at heart of Chennai, devotees targetted particularly brahmins...

Its a sad day again in Tamilnadu... and as usual everyone is silent, except some noises by BJP <!--emo&:furious--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/furious.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='furious.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:furious--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/furious.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='furious.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:furious--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/furious.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='furious.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:furious--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/furious.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='furious.gif' /><!--endemo-->

<b>Old thread</b> Link


Australian muslim schoolboys urinate on Bible
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<b>Muslim boys urinated on Bible</b>
Cameron Stewart
December 06, 2006
TWO Muslim students have been expelled from an Islamic school in Melbourne for urinating and spitting on a Bible and setting it on fire.
The explosive incident has forced the East Preston Islamic College to call in a senior imam to tell its 650 Muslim students that the Bible and Christianity must be respected.

Anxious teachers at the school have also petitioned principal Shaheem Doutie, expressing "grave concern" about an "inculcation of hatred and radical attitudes towards non-Muslims" at the school, including towards non-Muslim teachers.

The Bible desecration took place last week at a school camp held near Bacchus Marsh, about 50km west of Melbourne, attended by 33 teenage Muslim boys ranging in age from Year7 to Year 10.
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I feel it important to list the major terrorist attacks that have occured in India due to pakistani sponsored terrorism. Too often we lapse into a sense of ease, and it would we wise to remember and realise the danger we face with pakistan as our neighbour and its constant threat to our society.

The list is compiled from wiki but i feel there's a lot more to be added. Hopefully we can start to understand why GOI needs to be pro active with regards to dealing with pakistan and not reactive whenever another blast occurs.

<b>1)</b> 1993 March 12 : Mumbai car bombings in India leave 257 dead with 1,400 others injured.

<b>2)</b> 1998 January : Wandhama Massacre - 24 Kashmiri Pandits are massacred by Pakistan-backed insurgents in the city of Wandhama in Indian-controlled Kashmir.

<b>3)</b> 1998 February 14 : Coimbatore bombings - Bombings by suspected Islamic Jihadi groups on an election rally in Indian city of Coimbatore kill about 60 people.

<b>4)</b> 1999 December 24 : Indian Airlines Flight 814 from Kathmandu, Nepal to Delhi, India is hijacked. One passenger is killed and some hostages are released. After negotiations between the Taliban and the Indian government, the last of the remaining hostages on board Flight 814 are released in exchange for release of 4 terrorists.

<b>5)</b> 2001 October 1: A car bomb explodes near the Jammu and Kashmir state assembly in Srinagar, India killing 35 people and injuring 40 more.

<b>6)</b> 2001 December 13 : Terrorist attack on Indian Parliament.

<b>7)</b> 2002 September 10 : A train derailment in India kills 130 people in the Rafiganj rail disaster. Naxalite terrorism is suspected.

<b>8)</b> 2002 September 25 : Two terrorists belonging to the Jaish-e-Mohammed group raid the Akshardham temple complex in Ahmedabad, India killing 30 people and injuring many more.

<b>9)</b> 2002 December 21: Kurnool train crash, Islamic extremists derail a train and kill 20 people in India.

<b>10)</b> 2003 August 25 : At least 48 people were killed and 150 injured in two blasts in south Mumbai - one near the Gateway of India at the other at the Zaveri Bazaar.

<b>11)</b> 2005 July 5 : Terrorist attack on Ayodhya – Six terrorists belonging to Lashkar-e-Toiba storm the Ayodhya Ram Janmbhomi complex in India. Before the terrorists could reach the main disputed site, they were shot down by Indian security forces. One devotee and two policemen were injured.

<b>12)</b> 2005 : July 28: Jaunpur train bombing: 13 are killed when militants detonate a bomb on a commuter train in India.

<b>13)</b> 2005 : October 29: Multiple bomb blasts hit markets in Delhi, India, leaving at least 61 dead and more than 200 injured

<b>14)</b> 2005 December 28 : Two or more unidentified gunmen open fire at the Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore, India, killing a retired professor of mathematics and wounding four others.

15) 2006 March 7 : Bombings in the Hindu holy city of Varanasi, India kill 28 and injures more than 100.

<b>16)</b> 2006 July 11 : A series of explosions rock commuter trains in Mumbai, India, killing 209 and wounding another 714 civilians.

<b>17)</b> 2006 August 16: A bomb exploded in a Hindu temple near Imphal, India, killing three and injuring more than 30.

<b>18)</b> 2006 September 8 : At least 2 bomb blasts target a Muslim cemetery in the western town of Malegaon. The blasts kill 37 people and leave 125 others wounded.

The above i believe is no means comprehensive but it is a start. Was all compiled from wikipedia :
<b>List of terrorist incidents</b>

I shall try to scour and compile for more and will try and edit the list if any are added below. Too many Indian lives however have been sacrificed to terrorism from pakistan. It should be our hope and goal to see that none are done so in the future and pakistan itself as the threat is negated.

<b>Radiation grounds British airliners</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--> Radiation found on planes on which poisoned ex-spy was a passenger
• As many as 30,000 passengers have ridden on the planes
• British Airways making efforts to contact all affected customers
• On deathbed, former agent said Russian President Putin had him killed


All three planes had been on the London-Moscow route, British Airways said. In the last three weeks the planes had also traveled to routes across Europe including Barcelona, Frankfurt and Athens. Around 30,000 passengers had traveled on 220 flights on those planes, said Kate Gay, a spokeswoman for the airline.
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Do you think it will really effect passengers in plane or as usual "cold war type of scare tactics"?
How radioactive material able to pass security? European security is much better than US.

<b>India carries out anti-missile test</b>

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I'm interested in any assessment/evaluations of British administrators people may care to provide. Who did the right thing, who did the wrong thing. And why?

To get the ball rolling.... My opinion of Sir Frederick Halliday. Purely a personal opinion based on extensive reading:

A pompous fool, who, during the events of 1857, misread pretty much every sign going, used the situation for personal aggrandizement (and that of his friends) and unfairly cast deep shadows on the careers of people like William Tayler and Dewan Mowla Baksh.

A case could perhaps be made for his (minor) contribution to the Islamic terrorism situation we face today.

Whatever, I'd rate him as a bad 'un. What do others think?

(I'm aware that many other, saints or sinners, may be more significant than Halliday. I, personally, just feel he is someone who should be noted as somewhat repulsive.... and appears to have got away with it)

But please, don't only note the bad ones..... Surely <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->

An open letter to the Administrators of India Discussion Forum

Hi ,

I live in India and as my name suggests I am a revolutionary Marxist.And i am also an Internationalist who thinks that all the man made invisible and imaginary borders that divide people must go. I believe in class struggle and one day the world wide revolution by proletarians to overthrow all the bourgeoisie's government all over the world is inevitable.

I am also an Atheist. I consider <b>all religions</b> are just opiums to people and must die out inherently. I do not endorse the view of the so called Secularism.

By saying that i am a Marxist i do not endorse the View of the communists parties of India(Marxist,Marxist-Leninist,Maoists). I consider they are all traitors to workers and peasants of India whom they claim to represent. I don't know why they have Communist in their names....

My point here is I am a male of 24 yrs of Age .I work as a computer salesman and i think that the communism based on the Marxist theory will be the only way out for people of the landmass called India. I am not an veteran Marxist but a learner. But my learning had came to a halt since i never discussed about my political views with anybody and i found this place through google search and registerd just some minutes before posting this one.My question is will my views will be discussed by the members of this board with criticisms which will be constructive and mutually usefull to every one or will I be considered as an unwelcome member or considered as a troll ?

i put forth that questions because of some bad experiences in other forums ??? pls reply to my post . i hope will get an positive reply thank you

The linked blog and the accompanying news it carries with pictures is infinitely barbaric. The source of the news and pictures the blogger has used seems to originate from lankaweb.com a virulently anti-hindu (anti tamil translating to anti-hindu, pitting Buddhists vs Hindus and many other things really). The title of both items (Lankaweb and blog) are therefore oppurtunistic. But I'd like readers to read the report which seems fair. It mostly eschews on name calling but reports sincerely on brutal massacre of a lower caste family(even admitting the perpetrators were OBCs which is really pointless in such a gruesome act).

This in many ways is reality that people of lower castes do face. It also is symbolic of what is important to our media (Jessica, Mattoo) and what is purposely left largely unreported.

Here is more info on the incident, unfortunately again from a blog.

WARNING: The links are graphic in nature

http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2006/11...ching_ridic.asp

Snatching ridicule from the jaws of defeat

Rae Hart Anderson, an unsuccessful Republican candidate for the Minnesota state senate, got her 15-minutes of fame in the blogosphere this weekend. The reason? A rambling and poorly punctuated concession email in which she urged incumbent State Senator Satveer Chaudhary (DFL-Fridley), who is a Hindu, to convert to Christianity. "Pay attention...this is very important, Satveer," Anderson wrote. "Have you noticed Jesus for yourself...at some moment in time, yet??"

Talk about your tee-ball. After WCCO published the email, pundits of all stripes-and from all area codes--jumped on the story. "Jesus freak 'concedes' to Hindu winner," blared the headline at the political blog, Wonkette, which went on to characterize Anderson as "loopy" and declared her email "insane." Over at Time magazine's Daily Dish, conservative Andrew Sullivan struck a somewhat incredulous tone, writing: "And some Republicans are wondering why they lost. The denial continues." (In the insult to injury department, Sullivan managed to misidentify Anderson's gender--no doubt, a bitter affront to the traditional values fetishist in her).

By Sunday, Anderson was even getting slapped around in pages of her hometown paper. ("Another Christian culture warrior forgets how to make Minnesota Nice)." In addition to recounting the particulars of the email, Strib columnist Nick Coleman made passing reference to one of Chaudhary's previous scrapes with Small Tent Republicans--an incident in which State Senator Bill Belanger (R-Bloomington) asked that Chaudhary be removed from the senate chambers for the offense of wearing a Nehru coat instead of the traditional jacket and tie. The gambit did not pay off, but--in a not-so-proud moment for both the party and the institution--it was debated on the floor.

For his part, Chaudhary says Anderson's sermon-by-email was just one of several strange behaviors his opponent exhibited over the course of the campaign. "At one of the debates, she held up a picture of Elvis wearing a lab coat with one of those Dr. Seuss cat-in-the-hat hats. She made some reference to Halloween but we were all very confused by it," Chaudhary recalls. "I still don't know what the connection was to the campaign."

Chaudhary says he didn't respond to Anderson's email. "Perhaps I should have said Lord Krishna died for you," he offers. "But why bother getting into it after such a walloping victory?"

Anderson, who received 36 percent of the vote, did not return City Pages calls for comment.

Posted by Mike Mosedale at November 20, 2006 03:59 PM

Looking around at various fora, and reading the news when it comes to pakistani discussions it often seems that the GOI is more reactive and hardly pro active when it comes to dealing with pakistan and the various threats it has posed since partition.

Pakistan established itself as an islamic state during partition and constantly needs to remind themselves as to the reasons for its continued existence. Putting it bluntly, it has been for the last 1000 years a clash between two civilisations in the Sub continent, being the islamists vs the Hindu cultures.

Pakistan managed to partition bharat and the clash of civilisations continues on today, with pakistan needing to instill greater and greater radical islamic teachings in its madrassahs to

a) Provide Islam as a primary continuing factor for nationalism.
b) Provide a sense of Unity among its various states that bear a resentment towards Punjab.
c) Provide a sense of cause where in national problems by the common man are ignored, like increasing levels of poverty and increasing levels of unemployment and instead these sentiments are fuelled towards their perception of India being the problem.
d) Kashmir thus serves as a factor for jihad and unity among muslims, to the fact that socio economic problems as listed above are being ignored and the chain of madrassahs serves as an ever ready source for trained terrorists to wage jihad.
e) The small minority elite which controls most of the land and wealth, employs the greater part of the population for agricultural purposes are staunchly opposed to greater democratic principles and support the dictatorship army to toe the line towards their needs.
f) Indeed the exponential growth of madrassahs and radical Islamic teaching has seen greater prominence for Pakistan with numerous links around the world to terrorist activities.

Indeed Pakistan has been successful to an extent with much of the above, for the fact that it has :

a) Invaded and held onto territory after the first Kashmir war, hold onto a large tract of Kashmir which it has renamed as the Northern territories.
b) Created a land bridge with China, who uses Pakistan as its proxy for furthering its own ideals towards destabilsing India.
c) As a proxy from China and after handing over land in Kashmir for which it had no right, has enjoyed china’s assistance in military transfers including combat jets, nuclear weapons and delivery systems making it a nuclear state and a severe threat now to India’s security.
d) Managed to toe the line when it comes to their foreign policy with regard to the US, and have now received F16 combat jets and bvr capability.
e) Managed to acquire AWACS capability with the Erieye system, with US support and financial aid.
f) Potential order of further submarines from france, again with US financial aid.
g) Serving to polarize India’s society and often instigating acts of terrorism in India through suicide bombings in public places with wanton killing of innocents on a weekly basis to create confusion organized by the clandestine army wing known as ISI.
h) Serve to take advantage of points of discord between India and its other neighbours, often serving to fund terrorist activities from these countries against India and pushing terrorists and weapons from their respective borders. Bangladesh has established itself as another thorn.
i) Received much fianancial aid from Saudi Arabia to fund the growth of madrassahs and churn out waves of radicalized youth for their objectives as listed.

So now we have a reasonable idea of the problem, I’d like this thread to focus on future plans as to how we can deal with Pakistan. Personally I feel that it is in India’s and now the worlds interest to see that Pakistan in its current form cannot exist and that it needs to be dismembered for long term peace and stability.
In the following posts I’d like to start and will add later as to what India’s future policy needs to address now with regards to Pakistan on both a <b>strategic and a military </b>aspect so that we can address this constant thorn in our side that seeks to bleed India and its people.
Hopefully we will be able to see if a pattern emerges between what is posted in this thread and if it is in anyway related to India’s policy.