Thread started based on comments by Ravish in 'Advice to BJP' thread. Ravish and others interested can contribute here.

Given that Congress has been in power for some 50+ years out of 60 since independence and the first family been in power for about the same number of years, it'll be a worthwhile effort to list their achievements and contributions to India.

Timeline of all the instances of the silent (silenced) islamic genocide of Hindus

All the islamic terrorist attack ambushes that don't make it into the christomedia because only Hindus got killed. Often these tend to be the terrorist attacks that didn't affect any seculars and/or didn't involve explosions. Hence it is stuff they deliberately won't show on the news, including international news.

Good if the date can be formatted as dd/mm/yy and give as many links as can be used to reconstruct the original situation in as complete a view as possible.
Can be summarised later.


<b>Dates of the attack:</b> 3 Jan 2002 and 2 May 2003
<b>Location:</b> Marad/Maradu, Kozhikode in Kerala.

The number murdered/dead: 10 in total. (Two on Jan 02, eight on May 03)
(Number injured: none, as all were murdered.)

<b>A brief synopsis of the event:</b>
http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2008/03/hel...urdered-in.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->note in particular 24-33, the victims in maraad when a group of armed mohammedans ambushed them on a beach where they were relaxing. these were fishermen, presumably scheduled caste. but nobody is bothered about their rights. everyone is worried that the mohammedans have not been able to come back and occupy their houses among hindus. yes, these were people who had known about the coming massacre and had strategically left the area en masse quietly a day before; and from whose mosques blood-stained swords were found; note that mohammedan women had formed a cordon around the mosques to prevent police from going in. so the mohammedan females are active collaborators in jihad.

24.T Kunjumon Marad- Kozhikode-3 Jan 02

25.T Shimjith Marad - Kozhikode -3 Jan 02

26.AP Dasan Marad- Kozhikode -2 May 03

27.P Gopalan Marad- Kozhikode -2May 03

28 A Krishnan Marad- Kozhikode -2May 03

29.C Madhavan Marad- Kozhikode -2 May 03

30. C Chandran Marad- Kozhikode -2 May 03

31.T Santhosh Marad- Kozhikode -2 May 03

32.T preji Marad- Kozhikode -2 May 03

33.T Pushaparaj-Marad- Kozhikode -2 May 03
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Islami men and women committed premeditated murder on Hindu fishermen with their ever-vile swords hidden in their ever-vile mosques.

<b>Online links:</b>
- http://www.haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx...eID=5857&SKIN=C
"WE PAID OUR LIFE TO UPHOLD SANATHANA DHARMA, PLEASE HELP OUR FAMILY MEMBERS"
(both of which also list acts of mass murder by the faithful communits next to this faithful islamic act of mass murder.)
- http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2008/03/hel...urdered-in.html

Discussion on European languages
and ancient European History

^ All converts at the bottom of the christian societal rung tend to *want* to revolt but still do so from within christianism (this is symptomatic of the christian abuse against the human mind: abuse victim makes excuses for abuser, blames itself). See African churches in America. Less obvious is the example of Philipinos - who know all about European christian imperialism and what it did to who they were - but still they are christian. See Rwandans.
At best converts osmose from christianism into islamism, into christianism (Algeria) into islamism, into... etc.

http://www.vijayvaani.com/FrmPublicDisplay...cle.aspx?id=634
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Inculturation: Fooling the Hindu Masses</b>     
Nithin Sridhar
15 Jun 2009

<b>Early in 1982, Father Joseph Parekatil of the Catholic Church of Parasahi, Madhya Pradesh, destroyed the sacred murti of Goddess Visveshwari Siddheswari, enshrined on the nearby Nawain Tekdi hill, and erected a small wooden cross.</b> Later, on 18 February 1983, a 31-foot high concrete cross was illegally erected on the hill. A month later, enraged villagers destroyed the cross.

On 20 February 1985, intent on regaining possession of the hill, Father Parekatil put on the orange robes of a Hindu sannyasin, built a hut on the hill, sat on a tiger skin and began performing worship in the Hindu style. As a result, thousands of simple Hindus came to the hill on Fridays, unaware of the deception going on before their eyes.

On 18 May, a complaint was registered, but to no avail. Again there was agitation in the area, and this time, on 1 October 1985, the villagers tore down the priest’s hut and tossed away the remaining pieces of the concrete cross. Father Parekatil gave up only when he was arrested a week later for breach of peace (1).

Father Parekatil’s tactic of adopting Hindu symbols to further his missionary goals is known as “inculturation” or “indigenization.” Swami Jayendra Saraswati, Sankaracharya of Kanchi Matham, made a valid point at the “Interfaith Dialogue” with Cardinal Jean-Louis Pierre Tauran, president of the Vatican’s Pontifical Council for Inter-religious Dialogue, and others,  in Mumbai on 12 July 2009.

[...]
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About the last paragraph:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Under such situation, no inter-faith interactions will bring any fruits unless the “church” mends its ways. As the Kanchi Perivaar rightly affirms: “After such inter-faith meetings, the points agreed have to be faithfully abided. Otherwise the will be no point in holding such meetings. Unless the Church reassures Hindus that it will not conduct itself in a manner that wounds Hindu sensibilities and follows up on those assurances, such inter-faith meetings, no matter how frequently they are held, will be futile and will not serve any meaningful cause.”<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Swami is too goodytwoshoes (this is not an accusation). He's a Swamy and as such does not want to spread ill-will.

But Hindus may make a more complete stand.
<i>No</i> agreements.
There can never be any compromise or acceptance to coexist with christianism. It will forever plot the demise of all others - this is an integral characteristic of the mindvirus. Also, it has the blood of countless millions on its hands and will still lust after the blood of the remaining. If Hindus choose to coexist with christianism to whatever degree and for whatever reasons (for the sake of 'national integrity' for instance), then they are willing to accept that serial mass-genocides are forgiveable and that it's okay for christianism to have brutally murdered out Greco-Roman Religio and other European Natural Traditions, to have mercilessly crushed most of African spirituality and right to liberty, and to have bloodily genocided Native Americans. That it's okay what christianism has done and is doing to our Hindus and what it has been doing to Asia.
With such 'forgiveness' of what christianism has done to others in the world, one may at least be equally forgiving of what christianism still wants to do to Hindus, Hindu Dharma and Bharatam. Not hypocrites, right. Can stop complaining then altogether, since how are our present complaints (against the aggressiveness and murderous violence of 'the missionaries' and 'the church' - i.e. christianism) any more valid than the protestations aginst the violations of the rights of other victims of christianism?

There's no associating and no coexisting with the genocidal meme; allowing it to remain in our world without resistance is to accept its guilt and becomes part of national Karma (if there is such a thing). It should be universally and completely ostracised, from Hindu society and from Hindu minds. Any less would imply that one thinks it is possible for people to live with a bit of the enemy in their midst, that leaving a bit of a forest-fire to burn on is sensible.

<b>Arunachal MP calls for focused study of China</b>

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Kiren Rijiju explains to StratPost the need for India to focus on enhancing infrastructure in the border areas his state to as part of a larger restructuring of Indian dealings with China that has begun with a recognition of security concerns, and to alleviate the neglect of Arunachal Pradesh.

StratPost asked the Honorable Member Of Parliament from Arunachal (West) about the attitude of the Government of India towards security concerns in Arunachal Pradesh and the shortcomings of India’s approach in its interaction with China.

“There is a historical shift with regard to the perception towards our frontiers with China. This perception has changed in that I have made the Government of India understand the significance of the dangers.”

Rijiju thinks India is overcautious in its approach to its eastern neighbor. “We as a country believe ourselves to be at a lower level when dealing with China. We are not dealing with them on equal terms. There is an inferiority complex on our part. I’m not saying we have to be aggressive in our dealings with them, but we have to be firm. I’m an advocate of perfectly cordial relations with China,” he offers.

But the MP thinks both countries need to do a lot more to build trust towards each other. He also thinks India has been falling short in understanding China. “Firstly, there needs to be an increase in trust. There needs to be better understanding of each others’ problems. I’m afraid China understands India better than India understands China. Barring very few Indians, we do not have a proper understanding of China. While people in Bombay might not be too concerned about China, it is for the Government of India to understand these issues,” he says.

He also encourages to inter-mixing of the citizens of the two countries and commerce, advocating a confident approach on the part of India. “Secondly, there needs to be increased people-to-people contact. Cross border trade between the two countries is almost nil. The problem is we have no infrastructure in our border areas in Arunachal Pradesh, while just across the border, the Chinese have built highways. We are afraid of them flooding our markets with their cheap products. We need to exude confidence in our dealings with China. At least 3-4 border points must be opened for trade on the Arunachal border. Once that happens, there will be trade and customs officials manning the border crossings and somewhere down the line, even China will have to admit it to be a de facto border.”

Rijiju is emphatic about the need for India to recognize the significance of China and thinks too often India is distracted by other issues. “Our citizens need to get over their obsession with Pakistan and the US. It will be a disaster if they don’t. India cannot see the future. The future is not complete without China. If something happens in New Lahore or New York or Los Angeles people are very concerned but they take no notice if a bomb explodes in Guwahati. The people of Arunachal Pradesh are very patriotic and nationalistic but having seen the kinds of amenities available in the rest of India without development reaching them, they will get disillusioned in the long term. Militarily this will be telling in adverse times.”

The MP has a ready answer to a question about the reasons behind the lack of development. “The reason for this steady neglect of Arunachal Pradesh has been the obsolete thinking of the Government of India due to their total ignorance. We have already ceded so much land to China by not being able to monitor our border effectively due to lack of infrastructure.”

There has been a mindset that infrastructure in the border areas will aid the enemy in case of an invasion. “But if we are such a weak country that we can only guard our country by refusing development to our border areas, only God can help us! We are unable to build an all-weather road at a height of some 13,000 feet, while the Chinese have built their railway to Lhasa at a much higher altitude,” he counters.

Rijiju goes on to outline plans to bring up the region. “We need a trans-Himalayan highway. Already the trans-Arunachal highway has been proposed. But the border areas to the north need to be connected too. We cannot think only in terms of economic feasibility when it is a question of national security and the supreme interest of the nation. Arunachal Pradesh has been the most neglected but is the richest state in the north east. Even then, the Government of India has not been able to connect Arunachal by rail in 60 years since independence.”

Rijiju feels Arunachal Pradesh is treated unfairly even in terms of security concerns. “There has been movement on national security after the 26/11 attacks but I wish the Taj Hotel and the Oberoi Hotel were in Arunachal Pradesh. Then maybe the people and the government would take notice of us.”
Beginnings of Concern

But he does think he has managed to make a beginning in getting government recognition of the issues that concern Arunachal Pradesh. “At the end of my tenure in this Parliament I take satisfaction in forcing the government to change its perception towards Arunachal Pradesh. Arunachal sends only two MPs to the Lok Sabha. So the rulers in Delhi are not concerned about us because we do not constitute a political threat. The government has been forced to change its perception due to my persistence in bringing up the issue at every level - perhaps due to my vocal power.”

“The major satisfaction is the huge economic package that the Prime Minister has announced for the development of Arunachal Pradesh and that now a big chunk of the people of India know about Arunachal Pradesh.”

China’s veto of ADB loan for Arunachal Pradesh
Recently, the Asian Development Bank loan that was proposed for Arunachal was blocked by China, which claimed it was disputed territory. “See China plays diplomacy much better than India. When I was to go to China they initially denied my visa, but the don’t have a problem when a common man from Arunachal applies for a visa. These are all diplomatic tactics to pressure India. My question is why do we need a loan from an international institution for the development of Arunachal Pradesh? We’re a rich country. Loans can always be taken for the development of other states. So why can’t the Government of India fund the development of Arunachal Pradesh?” he asks.

Chinese Incursions
<b>Rijiju reveals the Chinese have been intermittently intruding and taking over Indian territory in Arunachal Pradesh, even abducting Indian citizens. “On a particular date it is difficult to say that China has made incursions into Arunachal Pradesh</b>. They practice what I call ‘Creeping Incursions’. Over a period of time, they slowly and gradually shift the flag posts. The Indian Army is deployed in only a few pockets where it is peaceful and calm. The problem is that the lack of infrastructure and roads on our side makes it difficult for the army to monitor the border in all areas. The culprit here is not the army. It is the Government of India. In fact, our people and even security personnel are captured and tortured by the Chinese.”

Study of China
He prescribes the setting up of an institution dedicated to the study of China. “The major concern here should be about how to build a relationship with China. Surplus suspicion and trust deficit. We need to properly formulate a China policy. We need to build a special institution to study and research China and then led them advise and handle our relationship with China. We need to take this forward on two fronts.”
“Firstly, soft diplomacy which would include trade and people-to-people contacts. Secondly, we need to be strong and robust from our defense point of view and this would include sorting out our infrastructural issues.”

“I have proposed the setting up of such an institution, but lets see. I have been let down by the Government of India when I should have been their blue-eyed boy. The media, the papers; our resources are being wasted on incessant talk about Pakistan and the US. We should be looking at the north east not as the eastern end of India, but the beginning of East Asia and Southeast Asia. A bridge to East Asia and Southeast Asia.”

http://www.stratpost.com/arunachal-mp-call...-study-of-china
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I put this info in new thread. Mods can decide.

<!--emo&:devil--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/devilsmiley.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='devilsmiley.gif' /><!--endemo--> "The Election Commission is trying to help the UPA by holding the election of two Rajya Sabha seats separately. The election of both Rajya Sabha seats should take place together," BJP leader Raghubar Das told reporters on Saturday.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/P...how/4624700.cms

Start collecting news of all arrested terrorist, so that we can link dots.
Terrorist name
Link to terrorist attack
Who is reporting? Media or Govt Press release
Any court appearance after arrest?

http://www.india-forum.com/forums/index.ph...indpost&p=98128

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b> If the BJP is indifferent to Hindu angst and anger, it will be seen by Hindus
as being no different from the 'secular' political class. But if it actively involves
itself in the redressal process, it will rile liberal Hindu sensitivities. </b>
<i>{I really would like to know who is and what makes up a "liberal hindu"}
</i> <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

A liberal hindu is the one who has the following symptoms. (I am not including passive hindus of any hue in this). The common thread to all is their aversion to Hindutva, RSS, VHP, etc etc (whatever they think it means)

o A hindu in name only and wants to be left alone to practice her "beliefs" driven activities and afraid/scared of others constraining her activities should she get vocal

o A hindu in name only and does not really want to practice anything - basically an accident (of birth into Hindu family) but shapes/understand the politics in her head fashioned after west's (Total disregard for India's own history, culture etc etc)

o A hindu by practice but really does not have a clue about identity politics, and also "faith" driven agendas all around her and totally unaware of the implications of 4M axis

o A hindu either in name only or by practice also, but really afflicted with "Log Kya Kahenge" disease - log being white man and basically needing affirmations and pat on the backs

o A hindu either in name only or by practice (not out of choice) , who just gets annoyed/irritated at the word Hinduism as she really feels its really backward/regressive and does not want to be associated with anything Hinduism

o A hindu who wants to marry more than one, or ___ (fill in the blank) and finds it extremely inconvenient to justify any of these actions

o A hindu who thinks White man brought civilization to India on Horses thus knows better and in fact British invented Hinduism along with bringing the trains, english and stopping all evil practices <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tongue.gif' /><!--endemo-->.

o A hindu (of any of the above), who thinks Hindus' suffering, human right abuses should always take back seat compared to others' (for whatever reason).

o .....


The thread, if it has any merit in starting one, is to identify, discuss, and enhance our understanding of our liberal hindus. So gentle readers, who is a liberal hindu?

Not sure if this has been discussed here on IF, and also not sure if a new member can start a topic, but if it's ok with forum protocol, here goes:

It is becoming increasingly clear that a key aspect of Pak self-denial about the 26/11 having been perpetrated by Paks is that the terrorists could not have made the passage from Karachi and landed in Mumbai without being detected and apprehended. This myth persists even among the RAPE.

IF and a few other sites are regularly visited by Paks and others as their source of information and perspectives. Maybe this subject of the sea passage and how it was accomplished could be examined here as well to add to the information out there and provide uncle google with more sources on the subject.

The above topic has been discussed in some detail on BRF - the government has made many of the documents available online (don't have the links now. It is easily googled, I suppose).

If its not OK for a new member to start a topic, please delete.

<b>EVM: Dangers Of Trusting Them Too Much</b>

By Subramanian Swamy

There is much talk today about electoral rigging in the recent general elections. These doubts have arisen from the unexpected number of seats won by the Congress, and they are accentuated by the spate of articles recently published in reputed computer engineering journals and in the popular international press. All raise doubts about the EVMs.

For example, International Electrical & Electronics Engineering Journal (May 2009, p 23) has published an article by two professors of computer science, titled: Trustworthy Voting. They conclude that while electronic voting machines offer a myriad of benefits, nine suggested safeguards are absolutely essential to protect the integrity of outcomes. None of these safeguards are in place in Indian EVMs. In India they do not meet the standard of national integrity.

Newsweek magazine (June 1) has published an article by Evgeny Morozov, who points out that when Ireland embarked on an ambitious e-voting scheme in 2006, such as fancy touch-screen voting machines, it was widely welcomed: Three years and 51 million euros later, in April, the government scrapped the initiative. What doomed the effort was a lack of trust: the electorate just didn’t like it that the machines would record their votes as mere electronic blips, with no tangible record.

A backlash against e-voting is brewing all over Europe. After almost two years of deliberations, Germany’s Supreme Court ruled last March that e-voting was unconstitutional because the average citizen could not be expected to understand the exact steps involved in the recording and tallying of votes. Political scientist Ulrich Wiesner, a physicist who filed the initial lawsuit said in an interview with the German magazine Der Spiegel that the Dutch Nedap machines used in Germany were even less secure than mobile phones. The Dutch public-interest group ‘Wij Vertrouwen Stemcomputers Niet’ (We Do Not Trust Voting Machines) produced a video showing how quickly the Nedap machines could be hacked without voters or election officials being aware (the answer: in five minutes). After the clip was broadcast on national television in October 2006, the Netherlands banned all electronic voting machines.

Why are EVMs so vulnerable? Each step in the life cycle of a voting machine — from the time it is developed and installed to when the votes are recorded and the data transferred to a central repository for tallying — involves different people gaining access to the machines, often installing new software. It wouldn’t be hard for, say, an election official to paint a parallel programme under another password, on one or many voting machines that would ensure one outcome or another pre-determined even before voters arrived at the poll stations.

These dangers have been known to the Election Commission since 2000, when M S Gill, then CEC, had arranged at my initiative for professor Sanjay Sarma of Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) and Gitanjali Swamy of Harvard to demonstrate how un-safeguarded the chips in EVMs were. Some changes in procedures were made by the EC, but not on the fundamental flaws. In 2004, the Supreme Court First Bench, of Chief Justice V N Khare, Justices Babu and Kapadia had directed the election commission to consider the technical flaws in EVMs put forward by Satinath Choudhary, a US-based software engineer in a Public Interest Litigation. But the EC has failed to consider his representation.

There are many ways to prevent EVM fraud. One way to reduce the risk is to have machines print a paper record of each vote, which voters could then deposit into a conventional ballot box. While this procedure would ensure that each vote can be verified, using paper ballots defeats the purpose of electronic voting in the first place. Using two machines produced by different manufacturers would decrease the risk of a security compromise, but wouldn’t eliminate it.

A better way, it is argued in the cited International Electrical & Electronics Engineering Journal article, is to expose the software behind electronic voting machines to public scrutiny. The root problem of electronic machines is that the computer programs that run them are usually closely held trade secrets (it doesn’t help that the software often runs on the Microsoft Windows operating system, which is not the world’s most secure). Having the software closely examined and tested by experts not affiliated with the company would make it easier to close technical loopholes that hackers can exploit. Experience with Web servers has shown that opening software to public scrutiny can uncover potential security breaches.

Now the Madras High Court is soon to hear a PIL on the EVMs. This is good news. The time has arrived for a long hard look at these machines. Otherwise elections would soon lose their credibility. All political parties must collect evidence to determine how many constituencies could have been rigged. The number would not exceed 75 in my opinion.

We can identify them as follows: Any result in which the main losing candidate of a recognised party finds that more than 10 per cent of the polling booths showed less than five votes per booth, should be taken prima facie as a constituency in which rigging has taken place. This is because the main recognised parties usually have more than five workers per booth, and hence with their families would poll a minimum of 25 votes per booth for their party candidate. Hence if these 25 voters can given affidavits affirming who they had voted for, then the high court can treat it as evidence and order a full inquiry.