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Salam Indian brothers,

I am wondering whether Mughal rule was all that bad. Let's analyze a little and find out.

Accusation#1: There was opppression during mughal rule
Response: There was oppression prior to mughal rule, such as caste discrimination, despotism and so on.

Accusation#2: Mughals killed a lot of people.
Response: It was the medieval times, people were killing each other all over the world.

Accusation#3: Mughals killed in the name of religion.
Response: vaishnvaas and shiavas were killing each other in the name of their respective religions.

Accusation#4: Mughals plundered temples.
Response: So did hindu kings. Even today, are you not accusing your own leaders of plundering temples? And those secular leaders whom you accuse did not come from Mars, they're from the hindu community.

Accusation#5: Women were raped mercilessly.
Response: In the 21st century, in a developed USA, women are going through this merciless punishment. So why single out something that happend in the medieval times, when even so-called modern, progressive people are much worse?

Accusation#6: India became poor due to mughal rule, but Brits gave us railways. <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='rolleyes.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Response: The fact that Indians prostrate in front of white people never ceases to amaze me. Due to Bengal famine alone, 30m people died. But Indians love to ignore that and focus on their contributions, whatever they are. But in the case of Mughals, why not do the same? Aha, we all know why, don't we?

Accusation#7: Mughals didn't contribute.
response: why should they? They were conquerors, they did not come to India to do social service. Like other races at the time, they too wanted to conquer and earn wealth. So why blame them, when the whole world was doing the same?

There are many more accusations which can be answered adequately, the chief of it being medieval times and the whole world was barbaric. So to accuse the mughals alone would be hypocritical. I am not sure if you guys will ban me for this post, even though i haven't said anything vulgar. I am just voicing a different view, that's all.

http://www.hindujagruti.org/eng/phpnews/ne...fullnews&id=607

<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The state of Maharashtra has drafted what is known as the Maharashtra Eradication of Black Magic and Evil and Aghori Practices Bill, 2005. According to Minister for Social Justice, Chandrakant Handore, the Bill is to bring social awakening and awareness in society and to create a healthy and safe social environment, with a view to protecting the common people against the evil and sinister practices and customs, thriving on ignorance and to combat and eradicate the same.

These are noble intentions to curb what is a atrocity committed on people in rural India, especially when it's found to be an effective way to take revenge for perceived family insults. So a woman can be branded a witch and then punished. Here punishments can range from eating faeces to having to perform sexual acts in public or having chilli powder shoved into her vagina. She will be forced to face this, all because of someone arbitrarily branding her. So, this act will actually ban such practices, which are called 'aghori'. If that is the case, then why is there objection to this Bill being made into an Act?

Spokesperson, Hindu Janajagruti Samiti Dr Durgesh Samant explains why he's not happy with the Act. He told CNBC-TV18, "The many so-called offences in this Bill are covered by the Indian Penal Code. For example, under the pretext of expelling a ghost - if anyone assaults a person by tying him/her with a rope, then there is Section 319-329 for causing hurt, Section 320 for grievous hurt, Section 336 is for endangering life and personal safety, Section 508 is for making a person do something by threatening that not doing the act would subject him to divine displeasure, Section 117 is for impersonating a public servant, Section 497 is for adultery and Section 417 is for cheating.

But there is another opinion which says that the law can legislate, if it's clear about what it is legislating. Lawyer Anant Grover says, "There is also a rational basis to say that certain practices which are known to be not really working and so called Godmen are taking advantage of poor people, they need to be stopped. There is a similar act nationally called the Drug and Magic Remedies Act. Unfortunately that Act, doesn't actually stop the practices, it only addresses advertisements."

"Unfortunately, this (Black Magic) law in its definition has inluded a number of practices and because of that, it doesn't understand what it is trying to stop! I think the Drug and Magic Remedies Act is good because it understands what its trying to do, and it limits itself. The actual practice of black magic needs to be stopped."

What's more is that this Bill does not conve or even define black magic practices like 'aghori', 'karni' and 'bhanamati'. So in a way, what's the purpose of the bill? Samant agrees and says that when he sought information from the Maharashtra police, they said the present law is sufficient to curb these practices.

Then there is so much overlap between people's fears of black magic and the common rituals that people adhere to as a matter of faith. Some believe that this Bill, if it were enforced, then even someone like Satya Sai Baba and the act of producing 'bhooti' (which means 'glories') would be construed to be propagation of black magic. Samant says, "If Satya Sai Baba comes to Mumbai and performs something like this, he will be booked."

Grover though says, "If Satya Sai Baba were to deceive and defraud, I think even he should be punished, which is the intention of this Bill, though it is very imprecisely drafted. But that is not the point. In the eyes of his followers, they believe that he is actually doing something miraculous and he may not be defrauding them, then I do not think there is any harm in it. But the moment he starts curing diseases, tries to come into the field of medical treatment, which actually causes harm, then he should be punishable."

But as Samant points out that the Bill has no proper definition of what it means by the practice of 'tantra' because of there is no clarity, then many books on 'tantra-shastra' in Buddhism, in Jainism and in Hinduism will be covered by this Bill. So, books might land up getting banned along with the practice.

Grover agrees and says, "Though it is well intentioned, the practices which are sought to be prohibited are so imprecisely defined - it ranges not only from religious to spiritual practices. It is number 10 and 11A of the Schedule. This specifically made it an offence, whereas under Section 13 of the Act, religious practices, which do not cause harm, are exempted. There is an intrinsic contradiction in the Act. The problem with this Act, according to me is it is not workable, the Police cannot implement it and it is going to be an abject failure."

He adds, "It is a dangerous Bill because it is too broad, there are too many vague expressions in the Act and the Schedule should not be a definition. It should be reconsidered, and the government should get proper legal advice."

Points to ponder about the Bill

1. No person shall promote, propagate black magic, evil and 'aghori' practices.
2. Once the law is enacted, anyone advertising, practising, propagating black magic, evil and 'aghori' acts, would be punished with imprisonment for not less than six months and up to seven years and/ or with a fine ranging from Rs 5,000 to Rs 50,000.
3. The offence would be cognisable and non-bailable.
4. A police officer would be appointed as vigilance officer for a group of 4-5 police stations. He will be detecting and preventing the contravention and violation of the Act.
5. Anyone obstructing the vigilance officer in carrying out his duties, will be liable for prosecution and imprisonment as well as a fine.
6. The vigilance officer will have power to enter and search, at all reasonable times, with the help of the local police any place, in which he has reason to believe that an offence under this Act has been or is being committed.
7. Vigilance officer can seize any material, instruments or advertisements and can examine any records, documents or other material object found in any place, and seize any material as evidence.
8. If a group of people commits offence, every person will be held guilty under the Act.

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The good things in Manu Smriti
By K.V. Paliwal

Manu himself believed that the Veda is the foundation of dharma (Vedo Akhilo Dharma Moolam; MS 2:6), and he had said about the dharma according to the Vedas.

Main cause of rejecting Manu Smriti by the VHP appears mainly due to the presence of large scale interpolations in it. Such a case is not only in Manu Smriti, but also in other smrities, Puranas and other ancient Hindu scriptures except the Vedas.

The Manu Smriti is the earliest Smriti, after the Vedas, as concluded by great Vedic scholars such as Pt Bhagwatdatt (Rajarshi Manu No.1) and Surendra Kumar (Manu Smriti 1986), and even earlier than that of Mahabharata as there are several shlokas of MS in the Mahabharata.

The basic principles of Manu Smriti are valid even today not only in Hinduism but also are quite applicable to the entire human race. The rational approach adopted by Manu has been widely appreciated by scholars of East and West.

Context: “The Vishwa Hindu Parishad totally rejects the Manu Smriti as it has no place in a civilised society.” (Hindu Voice, May, 2006, p. 43).

The VHP appears to reject Manu Smriti (MS) on the plea that, “There are more than 300 smrities. They have little to do with the eternal values of Dharma”. About the authenticity of smrities, Jaimini Rishi says, “They are authentic to the extent that they are in tune with the Vedas.” (Mimansa, 2.3.3). According to Tandya Brahman (23.16.17) “A word by Manu is supreme, and is like medicine.” Acharya Brahaspati says, “When there is contradiction among the smrities, treat Manu Smriti as authentic. But it should be taken like this only, when Manu Smriti is in consonance with the Vedas, and NOT where it contradicts it.” Jabal Rishi says. “In the event of contradiction between Vedas and smrities, primacy should be accorded to the Vedas” (Jabal Smriti) In this context Mahabharata says, “People should adopt Dharma according to the Vedas. (Shanti Parv 270:1; 297:33).

Following the above criteria, the Hindus have accepted MS as their supreme scripture as being in tune with the Vedas and so it is authentic. The main theme of MS is eternal dharma and provides complete code of conduct for human beings and therefore it is Dharma Shastra (Smriti) based on the Vedas (MS 1.129).

Manu himself believed that Veda is the foundation of dharma (Vedo Akhilo Dharma Moolam MS 2:6), and he had said about the dharma according to the Vedas. Therefore people should adopt it as authentic dharma (MS 2:8,13).

The four founding pillars of Manu’s dharma are Vedas, Dharma Shastra (Smriti as per Veda), noble conduct, and truthful judgement and action based on self-consciousness (MS 1:132), and such a dharma should also prove true to any test of logic (MS 12:106). Manu’s dharma covers all aspects of life as dharma, Arth (Wealth), Kaam (Desires) and Moksha (Salvation), and so Manu deals with the eternal dharma, and not with Yama and Niyama as conceived by the VHP, which are components of Ashtang Yoga (Yoga Dharshan 2:1)

About the theme of Manu, Dr Motwani, a renowned Sri Lankan sociologist with Ph. D in 1958, from California University, USA, writes on Manu Smriti as follows:

“Manu Smriti or Manu Dharma Shastra is a treatise that deals with the social life of man...fundamentally the Dharma Shastra contains a statement of principles of social life of man applicable at all times and in all climes, and therefore, has an universal significance; its teachings are aimed at the Homo sapiens, the human race, the manavas as a whole, and they emphasise the element of the permanent, the eternal in the life of man and society” (Manu Dharma Shastra, pref. XI. 1958). Thus even modern scholars considers MS of universal significance in the life of man.

Secondly the MS is the earliest Smriti, after the Vedas, as concluded by great Vedic scholars such as Pt Bhagwatdatt (Rajarshi Manu. No. 1) and Surendra Kumar (Manu Smriti 1986), and even earlier than that of Mahabharata as there are several shlokas of MS in the Mahabharata and not the vice versa, says Pt Ram Dev—a great indologist (Rajarshi Manu No. 2, p.10). Because it is a fact that the 18 adhyayas of Gita are simply the 18 adhyayas (25th to 42th) of Bhishma Parva of Mahabharata (Mahabharata Vol. 3, pp 2597-2812, Gita Press, Gorakhpur) and thus Gita is a part of Mahabharata, and a later composition than that of MS and thus Gita is not Adi MS.

Third, the myth that MS is only 2,200 years old, written during Pushyamitra’s reign, is totally fictitious. This myth has been created by Max Muller and George Buhler—the editor and translater of MS, (The law of Manu, S.B.E. Vol .25, Motilal Banarasi Das, Delhi), which was further propagated by Dr B.R.Ambedkar who being ignorant of Sanskrit—depended on this English translation. On the contrary, not only Indian indologists but several unbiased western scholars acknowledge MS to be of earlier period than 200 BC. According to Eliphinton (History of India, pp 11-12) MS is of 900 BC while Sir John considers it to be of 600 BC (Institutes of law, introduction) and Hunter accepts it of 500 BC (The Indian Emperor Vol. 1, p 113) and according to Surender Kumar (Manu Smirit 1981) and Raghu Nandan Prasad Sharma (Smrition Men Bhartiya Jeevan Padhyati, 2001) MS is quite ancient as several shlokas of MS are quoted in the Brahman Granthas, Ramayan, Mahabharata, Dharma Sutras, Nirukt and Darshan Shatras, etc. So it is irrevalent to conclude MS to be of 200 BC only.

Fourth the main cause of rejecting MS by the VHP appears mainly due to the presence of large scale interpolations in it. Such a case is not only in MS, but also in other Smrities, Puranas and other ancient Hindus scriptures except the Vedas. These interpolations are unvedic, unhuman, illogical and irrevalent and are against the basic Vedic concepts and doctrines of Manu; and were noticed by the scholars since the 9th century, particularly after the theo-political impact of Muslims in India. According to Dr Rustagi and Dr Narang, different scholars have observed that out of total 2,684 shlokas of MS, 100 to 1,502 shlokas are interpolated, in the existing editions of MS, mostly in those chapters dealing with social, legal and political aspects of life(Manu—Manu Smriti and Appraisal).

Dr B.R. Ambedkar used about 300 shlokas of MS in his works (BAW5 Vols. 1, 3.4, 5 &7, 1979-90), and about 235 shlokas were related to Brahmans, women and Shudras, 84 per cent of which were interpolated, and his criticism was mainly due to these interpolations (Paliwal, 1998, Manu Ambedkar and Caste System, p. 55). However Dr Ambedkar accepted no untouchability in MS, and full respect to the Sudras upto Mahabharata period, and Shudras are Aryas. He also acknowledged that Manu did not create the present day birth based caste system.

In view of this problem of interpolations in MS, Prof Surendra Kumar after critically examining and deleting the interpolated shlokas, published Vishuddha Manu Smriti in 1986, which is at par with the Vedic concepts of Manu. It is now fully authentic as per the basic doctrines of the Vedas and is free from all types of criticisms and has been well received by scholars and Hindu Dharamacharyas.

Due to the supremacy and authenticity of MS, Swami Dayanand Saraswati a revivalist of the Vedas incorporated about 250 shlokas of MS in his Satyarth Prakash. Regarding social justice, the uniqueness of MS lies in the fact that it not only provides equal opportunity to the people of every varna to rise upto Brahmanhood, but prescribes much more severe punishment, for the same crime, to the educated and responsible people, like King and Brahman than the illiterate and weaker sections of the society as the Shudras.

The basic principles of MS are valid even to day not only in Hinduism but also are quite applicable to the entire human race. The rational approach adopted by Manu has been widely appreciated by scholars of East and West such as philosopher Nietsche, H.P. Blatavasky, Maurice Materlink Dr Annie Besant, P.D. Oespensky, Swami, Vivekanand, Guru Dev Ravindra Nath Tagore, Dr S.Radhakrishnan etc. Nietsche even said, “Close the Bible and open the Manu Smriti.” (The Will to Power, Vol.1). Recently Raghunandan P.Sharma has summarised the impact of MS on the growth of world civilisations quoting examples of different countries. (Smrition Men Bhartiya Jeevan Paddhyati, 2001 and Vishwa Vyapi Bhartiya Sanskriti, 2001).

Dr Motwani while summarising the impact of MS on world civilisations writes: “Manu as the maker of civilisations since the time of recorded history of man, as the patron saint of social thinkers, philosophers and planners is unknown to mankind” (ibid Pref XII). “Manu’s social thought is ahead of the contemporary social thought of the west.... There is no social thinker, in the East or the West, who has covered so thoroughly the field of the human social drama and destiny, and with such amazing insight and amplitude as Manu” (ibid p.13). “Manu does not belong to the dead past of some forgotten antiquity, but is a living force in the life of every civilised human being that breathes on the face of this earth today.” “Manu belongs to no single nation or race; he belongs to the whole world. His teachings are not addressed to an isolated group, caste or sect, but to humanity. They transcend time and address themselves to the eternal in man. There is need for a fresh statement, in the light of modern knowledge and experience, of the fundamental teachings of Manu. India, which has been the custodian of his teachings as well as the radiating center from which they went to different parts of the world, is under special obligation to resuscitate the Manus spirit and vision” (ibid P.15).

It is under pressure of criticism on the pretext of the status of Shudras in the polluted MS then it may be clarified that since today there is no varna system in vogue, in the Hindu society, so none is Shudra or Brahman in the strict term of the Veda. All are equal today. The present day SCs, STs and the OBCs are definitely not the Shudras. Moreover, there are innumberable, illogical and unscientific statements in the Bible and Quran. But their followers are not rejecting them due to the criticism, rather are improving them; and Bible had been regularly revised since the century.

Therefore it would be more appropriate to adopt, propagate and promote the Vishuddha MS which stands next to Vedas in its purport and authenticity, and also to critically examine the other smrities and revise them by rejecting the interpolations there in. Rejection of Vishuddha MS amounts to rejection of Vedas, the supreme scriptures of the Hindus.

I took some snaps of india on my trip this year. I am attaching the same below.

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The last one is that of Mumbai tragedy. It is tragic that while we continue to get affected by terrorism for the last 30 years, all the congress government has so far succeeded in doing is starting new bus and train services to pakistan every year. This congress government does not deserve to even be part of indian politics anymore.

Previous thread on Sanskrit -1 <b>Link</b>

Well atleast he is not a fool who thinks that Ramayan and Mahabharat are Sanskrit pronounciations.

Do not get me wrong, I love democracy and I believe that in the long term only a democracy can ensure prosperity to a nation.

But what we have in India is anything, but the rule of the people.

India is mobocracy, it is the rule of mobs on the basis of caste, religion (minority of course, remember we Hindus should be secular to the death) and perhaps regional.

This mobocracy is controlled by corrupt, criminal, petty men (MPs) who decides amongst themselve who will be the bigger shark (the PM), so the essence is that we vote for them in good faith and they would do what they like once elected to power.

Supplementing them is the bureacracy, a motley group of corrupt men who are trained to jump through hoops under threats of transfers and promises of loot.

And whitewashing the entire show is the media. The Indian Media is a whore on paper. First to sell itself to the highest bidder (and already purchased by the Leftists), the Media's first duty is to safeguard and promote itself while also serving the same establishment (the Congress) in power.

Then comes the auxulliaries like the Police (who serve the will of the politicans) and so on.

What I'am saying is that the whole system is corrupt to the core. Even if a few honest men make an attempt to get rid of this disease, they would stand no chance against the combined forces of the establishment.

What we need a revolutionary coup, with the army and the judiciary standing behind us, that would be the only way to deal with this hopeless system. If such a corrupt system is to be destroyed, we must shed our complusions of non violence and engage in mass executions to prevent them from rising to power again. We would need men of integrity who could undertake such a venture without themselves getting corrupt in the process. Only one such man is visible in our political horizon today: Narendra Modi.

We must infiltrate our children into the army and the judiciary for this purpose, with this agenda in mind.

We need men, fearless of votebank compulsions, who could implement ruthless decisions to cure our nation. Men who do not crave world approval or prizes (unlike Vajpayee) Men who can guide the nation above votebank politics (unlike the Congress) Men who can look the serpent in the eye and defeat it (Islamic Jihad)

The entire establishment needs to be destroyed and rendered to ashes, enough of old men, enough of their so called 'experience', their apathy, their corruption. India is a young nation and we need ferociousness young people to guide her controls.

So if Narendra Modi could become the dictator of India for a term , lets say 15 years, would you support him?

I would.

Alert Hindus foil missionaries mass conversion plan

Posted on 01 July, 2006
We need such alert Hindus everywhere. - Editor

A special prayer meeting was organized by Christians at Ganesh Mangal Karyalaya, Saat Raste in the city. Hindu organizations got the wind of their plan to convert Hindus in the said meeting. Members of these organizations attending the meeting were infuriated with the speakers criticizing Hindu religion and they thwarted the program. Christians were going door to door and making propaganda of the said meeting. They were trying to impress upon Hindus that how Christianity is superior to Hindu religion. All the Hindu organizations came to know about the propaganda and held a meeting realizing the seriousness of the matter and decided to put a stop to such activities. During the meeting of Christians, Father Agnel who had come from Mumbai for the meeting said that Hindu religion and all the mantras recited were meaningless. Similar statements were made against Hindu religion. Before conclusion of the program, permission was sought to ask questions to the organizers but initially they were not allowed. Still due to the pressure brought by other staunch Hindus, some time was given to ask questions. When questions were being asked about the objectionable matters, the missionaries were trying to interrupt. However, looking at the vehemence of the staunch Hindus, father Agnel ran away. Other organizers also had no answers to many objectionable statements from the Bible and made a quick exit. The Hindu organizations warned that all the efforts of Christians to forcefully convert Hindus will not be tolerated. The District-Chief of Shiv Sena and other staunch Hindus were instrumental in foiling the efforts of Christians.

Source: Dainik Sanatan Prabhat

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Police said they are likely to ask forensic experts to perform confirmatory tests to entirely rule out RDX, and added that the focus of investigations could change with these results and police will now have to concentrate on local groups and issues related to it.
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I told you.
Now why to blame Pak or Bangla, when it was a inside job.
Now let see whether UPA will continue with coverup? Whether they will allow Azmi get-together?

Now IM will claim there was no bomb blast, some will come with all sob stories, we are nice Hindus are bad.
Some jokers will come up with fake story, my IM friends are nice only Hindus were bad.

<span style='color:purple'>Hindu religion has a remarkable global footprint today, and is practiced across all the continents of the world.

One of the major contributors to this global footprint is migration of Hindus from India to different parts of the world in last 250 years. Today if Hinduism has a presence all over, the credit is largely to the valor of the Hindus who migrated from India under tremendous hardships to go and settle down far away in unknown lands. Like the fragrance of a flower is spread in the garden, these Hindu migrants have carried their faith and culture from India to different parts of the world. They spread the presence of Hinduism from Guyana and Surinam in South America to Fiji, Malaysia and Singapore in Asia Pacific and from South Africa, Madagascar, Mauritius and Seychelles in Africa to UK, Holland, France, Purtugal, Spain in Europe.

These torchbearers of Hinduism, on one hand, must have been highly agile and flexible in adapting to the outer norms and local customs, while on the other hand, very steadfast in preserving and nourishing the faith of their forefathers, as well as relentless in mandatorily passing it on to their children. Preserving Hinduism must have obviously not been free from grave challenges. They must have withstood enormous external challenge in preserving their faith - varying in degrees from persecution to ridicule, racism or rejection. Today, these Hindu communities live in different socio-politico-cultural statuses within their respective local societies - some can certainly said to be flourishing while others probably struggling to survive.

As a salute to those ambassadors of Hinduism, I am initiating this thread. I think it is very important for us to collect, record, analyze, and report the history and status of these Hindu societies outside of India. I am expecting to post and invite fellow forum members to use this thread for reporting the migration history, their struggles, life of their leaders, their present condition, and any other related information.

Bodhi</span>